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explode the bazaars are your e-ticket

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ride into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself Ian as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO

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of ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology

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waters as well as other dimensions it's

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time to take back the night last night

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now your electrifying hosts of exploring

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the bizarre Timothy Beckley and Tim

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Schwartz who are you talking to keeps

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ringing and ringing but when I pick it

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up there's either no one there or the

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voice is so faint and far away I can

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hardly hear it well it could be from our

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producer Tina well I I don't know he

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says his name is injured cold that he

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has a message from John keel well I

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don't know maybe it's a maybe the

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ringing is in my head oh that could be

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that could be Tim how's it going out in

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that Pleasant little Midwestern town of

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Jasper Indiana oh it's as as always it's

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you know have the bucolic surroundings

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and no no ghostly messages tonight

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though and so far I don't I don't know

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maybe we'll get a few spirits to come

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through oh you know we've been real busy

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here to last a couple of days we're

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finishing up on our next to the book you

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know even though I'm semi-retired and

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down to putting out the three titles a

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month we're still so very you know

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active as Sean and I and Bill Kern our

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master of graphics have been on the

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internet all day Olay

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down Lee type and now he's going to

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start putting in the photos and I

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hesitate to give the title away because

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it's it's such a good title I do think

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it's called screwed by the aliens now it

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has a double meaning but our program

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isn't about their alien sex this week so

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detail but it should be available on

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Amazon hopefully because Amazon is

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merging with merging with Kendall are

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actually create space which is the

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printing arm of Amazon is merging again

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and if you think Skype is giving you

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problems this is going to be even worse

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because there's 300 folks of ours we got

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a March over from create space to Kindle

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I don't know how and then all the

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templates and in all the ways of doing

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covers which you were also work on are

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gonna be different so you're gonna we're

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gonna probably have to spend days trying

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to figure this trying to figure this out

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and I leave it to you guys because of my

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technology expertise are a very very

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very limited but aren't you excited

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about the book I can't wait to read it i

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I know that I I had a wonderful time

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doing the research on the chapters that

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I contributed so I'll really be

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interested to see what what everyone

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else has we got the sex of terrestrials

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are here and they want to mate with you

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book and it's got some wild stuff in

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there but this is not science fiction

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down there well it's come down the earth

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topics of discourse well goodness I

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the author of the paranormal bestseller

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the world's most haunted house the true

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poltergeist on Lindley Street and the

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haunted house Diaries now bill is

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world and his syndicated column

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multiple newspapers and Bill has two

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sons and resides somewhere in the

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mysterious state of Connecticut now

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such as sightings unsolved mysteries

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Canada's scariest night of my life and

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others now Jimmy is also a host of the

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popular radio program the haunted

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Chronicles and he is also called often

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called mr. haunted and Jimmy resides

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with his two beautiful daughters also in

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the mysterious land of Connecticut so

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the bizarre oh thanks for having us well

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about Connecticut bill I mean I are here

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of this they they think that were

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interviews and whatnot but I was

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spoon bending you know things that would

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can duplicate that and yes it's true you

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a a fake and and here's something that

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most people don't realize I actually

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the world's great greatest more of a

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one time and the levitation equipment

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was shaking back and forth and you can

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because that's how it was kind of set up

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here but anyway I'm not here to talk

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about the amazing Randi but thank you

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he's a talented magician but you know

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very he really wanted to find stuff you

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stuff he was he was looking himself but

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expose table because he's trying to make

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amends for the magic community so I mean

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he presented oh yeah make a living yeah

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older and stuff

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so he put out a three a three DVD set

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where he where he explains you know how

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he bent spoons which everybody knows it

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wasn't a very good spoon bender by the

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way but yeah magicians have done much

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better but when somebody believes it's a

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little bit easier to bend a spoon you

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know what I mean because they're not

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they're not even watching you but but no

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he did a whole expose so and there's

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mixed feeling some magicians never hated

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them and they said hey he was able to

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perform and and that's fine and other

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people like Randi hated him because you

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know good scientists spent their their

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money and time on on somebody who was

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you know tricking them so you know real

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tough balance you know is he saying

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everything he did was a fake oh yeah oh

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yes yes and it was I he was obvious to

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magicians because you know I can play a

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video and show you exactly when he pens

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the key and he's not very good at it

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saw him one time I was in somebody's

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apartment and it was her Bailey who was

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a science editor of some magazine and he

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took herb key and he told me to put mine

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my apartment key on the desk across the

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room he never even touched it right and

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he stroked herbs key and the key bet

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maybe two-thirds of the the way and then

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finally after he was doing that and he

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gave her a key back he told me to go

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over and pick up my key and look at it

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and my key was bent about 20% of the of

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the way he never touched it and and of

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course that's what everybody says to a

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good magician who just did a trick they

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say the same thing I mean you know I

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bent nails before in spoons and keys and

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that may I wasn't I wouldn't that wasn't

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my specialty but of course when it came

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popular we all learned it Wow but

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Banacek he was a much better bender than

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Geller although he was admittedly fake

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but he was studied by scientists for

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four years and and

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every test but but he he went to a radio

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station where Geller was just that and

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couldn't bend the spoons and he bent

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them and and when the guys are saying

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you know really says well no no I'm not

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really sit but I can tell you this those

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are heavy spoons I know I Gaylor

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couldn't bend them they were tough well

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believe in him I think that I think that

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is the challenge in the paranormal

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luckily when you get the poltergeist

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things like that you kind of get out of

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that realm you don't see you don't see

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the fakery as much as you see

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misinterpretation of something you know

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what okay one last item about the the

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Spooner the utensil a bending I was at a

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the 14 society convention in Washington

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DC with John keel many many years ago

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the organization was a run by a lady by

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the name of the Phyllis now they decided

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at during the afternoon lunch that they

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were going to have people in the

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audience or or they were attending the

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lunch let's say about 70 people or

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something like that try to bend spoons

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or some other utensil well let me tell

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you there were two or three people in

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the there at that lunch who bent now I

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saw one item that was a fork in this

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thing was twisted it wasn't bent it was

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twisted like a pretzel

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and this probably this person was as

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surprised as anyone else to see they're

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there for felt like a pretzel so you

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can't tell me that and that and that's

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why I love magic that's why you're the

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magic because it brings that kind of

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wandering people by what I can tell you

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is what you are describing has been done

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for centuries it's not a new trick

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hasn't it necessarily done with the

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spoons but these are not new tricks yeah

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this is not a new art I mean magic was

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of course obviously you know very old

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but it was the trade of poachers and

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thieves and and priests and you know

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and the Kings I mean that's that's magic

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has the kind of a third past and that in

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that regards but but I'm not here to put

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down I have mixed feelings affected it

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maybe he did maybe maybe I should've did

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that too you know some magicians like

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them because they say pulled it off

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others don't

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yes they say you know he really

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shouldn't allied because there's good

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people like you that you know that will

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see something like that and believe it

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because how could someone who's not

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trained in the art of magic even even if

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somebody is a beginner magician you know

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could be fooled as Houdini pointed out

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yeah you know I could certainly I mean

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first of all I kind of find magic real

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magic boring to be honest with you I

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mean when it comes on TV I turn you know

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III turn it off just that's something

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that appeals they are it's not really a

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great TV are either you know it's hard

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to express lease a Star Wars but we're

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here we're here not to talk about uri

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geller we're here to talk about the dead

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or supposedly the the dead who are able

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to communicate with us through various

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devices like the telephone and III know

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there have been some cases now where

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they have been communicating through a

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computer and even the TV right I mean so

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there's a there is weird unexplained

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phenomena going on all around us despite

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somebody maybe being able to are not

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being able to spend spoons with their

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their minds so so tell us about how did

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you get intrigued by conversations with

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the dead and be a little bit more

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specific what exactly all you have a new

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book out it's called phantom messages

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right and and tell us a little bit about

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what what's in the book I which a

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concept here i Jimmy you want to take

352
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that are you on there why don't you take

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that one

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nice you answer all the nice questions

355
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how we get our at the movie the book is

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about chilling phone calls letters

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emails and texts from unknown realms and

358
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we kind of got the idea bill because I

359
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am I called bill up he's here he

360
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previously wrote a book and I wanted to

361
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write something about local urban

362
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legends and we got to talk in and said

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let's do something together

364
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and I'm what was the idea bill like you

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know you see these posts my my

366
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grandmother called me or you know texted

367
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me this morning but she's been dead for

368
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10 years so he was right it was enough

369
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information to you know do a whole book

370
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on that and we yeah we wanted to be

371
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broader so of course we all loved phone

372
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calls from the dead and Jimmy and I grew

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up with that as and you know you guys

374
00:19:40,100 --> 00:19:38,460
I'm sure have heard of it if not read it

375
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known and on your shelf yeah it's a

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classic and so you know from there we

377
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said well what if we didn't just look at

378
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phone calls you know because a lot has

379
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happened and of course and what if we

380
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just didn't look at the phone calls from

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quote-unquote the dead what if we just

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looked at any any unexplainable direct

383
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contact affected yeah I expect that we

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didn't want somebody who was searching

385
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for it with an EVP and said yes I found

386
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it not that we not that or anything it's

387
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just that we thought it would be cool if

388
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we kind of focused on you know direct

389
00:20:25,370 --> 00:20:23,490
contact that was unexplainable but also

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was unexpected you know they weren't

391
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looking for it they weren't trying to

392
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find it it was just something that

393
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so hopefully that kind of gives the

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basis we didn't invent the term phantom

395
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messages but it

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was one that was not used commonly and

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and we certainly thought it fit a

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broader term that encompassed those

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unexplainable messages that had to do

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with whether it's a time slip or a

401
00:21:01,129 --> 00:20:56,779
family member or you know part of the

402
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cross why don't you give why don't you

403
00:21:10,009 --> 00:21:02,460
give us it why don't you give us an

404
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example of yeah yeah I'll give you one

405
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all right okay this this particular

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woman she had a father who died in

407
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winter of 2014 and about a year later

408
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she was looking around in their attic

409
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for Christmas decorations and she saw

410
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some of her father's old items in the

411
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attic and she found one of the old he

412
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had a old ham radio and and that the her

413
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father was like an amateur radio

414
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operator and he used to communicate with

415
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people you know true members when she

416
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was a kid after she saw jazz wow you

417
00:21:49,070 --> 00:21:46,470
know my daddy used to use this all the

418
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time so she she plugged it in and

419
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nothing happened and then remembered

420
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that it has to warm up a bit and after

421
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it lit up and you know the lights

422
00:22:01,070 --> 00:22:00,000
started glowing on the radio she didn't

423
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:01,080
hear anything at all but then she

424
00:22:06,049 --> 00:22:02,730
started to hear some static about 20

425
00:22:07,249 --> 00:22:06,059
minutes later and she went over to the

426
00:22:09,799 --> 00:22:07,259
radio to see what we know what's going

427
00:22:13,970 --> 00:22:09,809
on and she heard her dad's voice call

428
00:22:15,169 --> 00:22:13,980
her by her childhood nickname that it's

429
00:22:19,549 --> 00:22:15,179
only person that ever called her that

430
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,559
and she would called her husband up

431
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:21,360
there to see if what happened again so

432
00:22:25,340 --> 00:22:23,039
he could hear it too and her and her

433
00:22:29,810 --> 00:22:25,350
husband both witnessed her dad saying hi

434
00:22:31,460 --> 00:22:29,820
pumpkin and she asked if you're okay and

435
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:31,470
it said were you with mom and I said yes

436
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:33,330
and that was the last communication she

437
00:22:39,259 --> 00:22:35,129
had with him but that's one example

438
00:22:42,769 --> 00:22:39,269
right there thank you yeah all right

439
00:22:46,249 --> 00:22:42,779
well we're going to have to go to our

440
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:46,259
bottom of the hour a break first one of

441
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the evening so when we come back we will

442
00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:53,490
continue our conversation about strange

443
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messages from the unknown to our

444
00:23:00,800 --> 00:22:59,039
electronic devices on exploring the

445
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bazaar

446
00:23:21,950 --> 00:23:18,630
two of the most electrifying researchers

447
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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becky

448
00:23:31,159 --> 00:23:28,350
Lee panting Swift's back to exploring

449
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the bazaar tonight we're talking with

450
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:34,260
bill hall and mr. haunted about their

451
00:23:39,950 --> 00:23:36,960
book phantom messages and Tim didn't you

452
00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:39,960
say that you had a story that you want

453
00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:45,510
to tell yes now I was a frequent guest

454
00:23:51,260 --> 00:23:48,809
on the Long John double show net he was

455
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:51,270
the original pioneer of the all-night

456
00:23:55,279 --> 00:23:53,520
paranormal show long before there was

457
00:23:58,639 --> 00:23:55,289
art Bell and George and nori you know

458
00:24:00,769 --> 00:23:58,649
and they realized that in fact when wor

459
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here in New York I picked up the coast

460
00:24:08,090 --> 00:24:04,590
to coast I hooked them up with the long

461
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:08,100
johns former producer Paris lemon and

462
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:11,250
they did a ten-minute interview yeah you

463
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:13,440
know with the Paris because Long John

464
00:24:20,330 --> 00:24:16,610
did start this format way back in the

465
00:24:24,740 --> 00:24:20,340
1950s well I was just kind of getting

466
00:24:27,889 --> 00:24:24,750
going in the in the world of the UFOs

467
00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:27,899
and the strange and all that and a long

468
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:30,840
John Neville had moved from WR in fact

469
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:32,640
morandi took over his show we talked

470
00:24:40,430 --> 00:24:36,480
about the amazing Randi on wor and John

471
00:24:42,580 --> 00:24:40,440
moved over to NBC where he was getting a

472
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:42,590
lot more money I think they paid him

473
00:24:47,950 --> 00:24:45,289
$100,000 which in those days was a

474
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:47,960
phenomenal amount for a radio type

475
00:24:54,139 --> 00:24:50,490
personality in fact probably is this

476
00:24:58,399 --> 00:24:54,149
yeah even but you know outside of a few

477
00:25:01,490 --> 00:24:58,409
really top-notch it's indicated the host

478
00:25:01,909 --> 00:25:01,500
but John of course that kind of paired

479
00:25:05,870 --> 00:25:01,919
Nord

480
00:25:07,370 --> 00:25:05,880
a pair started out with the you know all

481
00:25:09,230 --> 00:25:07,380
the UFO contactees

482
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:09,240
yet on George Adamski and George Van

483
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:11,760
Tassel ban fry they set in the studio

484
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from midnight till 5:30 in the morning

485
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:16,320
six nights a week and then I think maybe

486
00:25:19,330 --> 00:25:18,570
replayed a show on on Sunday night but

487
00:25:22,340 --> 00:25:19,340
not always

488
00:25:24,430 --> 00:25:22,350
talking about their their encounters

489
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:24,440
with the extraterrestrials fair-haired

490
00:25:36,130 --> 00:25:28,610
Venusian types mainland anyway John got

491
00:25:39,020 --> 00:25:36,140
ill and succumbed to cancer and he was

492
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:39,030
remarkable in that regard because he

493
00:25:43,700 --> 00:25:41,130
would come into the studio in his

494
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:43,710
wheelchair and he be all slumped over

495
00:25:48,650 --> 00:25:46,770
you know and the minute that they turned

496
00:25:50,270 --> 00:25:48,660
on the microphone he would go at it like

497
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:50,280
there was nothing wrong kind of an

498
00:25:55,900 --> 00:25:52,080
inspiration to me actually to be

499
00:26:00,520 --> 00:25:55,910
honestly anyway after John passed away

500
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:00,530
his wife kandi Jones who was a very

501
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:06,210
famous model during that era would have

502
00:26:12,140 --> 00:26:09,600
me on quite frequently usually on a

503
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:12,150
Sunday night because I figured she

504
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:13,890
couldn't get a whole heck of a lot of

505
00:26:18,380 --> 00:26:15,930
people who wanted to come out to be on

506
00:26:21,890 --> 00:26:18,390
the the show so we had a little look you

507
00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:21,900
know a friendship going and we didn't

508
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:24,510
just talk about UFOs we you know and

509
00:26:30,260 --> 00:26:26,010
knocked it around the Loch Ness monster

510
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,270
and so forth so uh anyway one night when

511
00:26:35,030 --> 00:26:32,880
you know they had a their famous

512
00:26:37,310 --> 00:26:35,040
half-hour pastrami

513
00:26:39,740 --> 00:26:37,320
break we got free sandwiches and those

514
00:26:41,930 --> 00:26:39,750
days seen it they you know the station

515
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:41,940
they got the free sandwiches and all

516
00:26:47,060 --> 00:26:45,120
from Sarge's deli you know we would we

517
00:26:48,650 --> 00:26:47,070
would just chat nonchalantly and she

518
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:48,660
told me a story and she said I'm going

519
00:26:52,340 --> 00:26:51,360
to tell you this but please don't repeat

520
00:26:55,970 --> 00:26:52,350
it

521
00:26:59,180 --> 00:26:55,980
after John had passed away she was going

522
00:27:01,070 --> 00:26:59,190
through boxes of reel-to-reel I think

523
00:27:02,930 --> 00:27:01,080
your Tim were they not 10 or 12 inch

524
00:27:05,540 --> 00:27:02,940
reel-to-reel tapes in those days that

525
00:27:09,380 --> 00:27:05,550
they yes it was the studio yeah big big

526
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:09,390
big big on having a big heavy suckers

527
00:27:14,570 --> 00:27:11,850
but good quality I mean you know nothing

528
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:14,580
like today and she said she was you know

529
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:16,890
she was working there nothing had been

530
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:19,200
catalogued and most of the stuff didn't

531
00:27:23,389 --> 00:27:21,570
have any you know title to it so

532
00:27:24,769 --> 00:27:23,399
she did not what show it was you know

533
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:24,779
for the nights that they wanted to

534
00:27:29,180 --> 00:27:26,490
replace so she's sitting there and

535
00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:29,190
listening to it I'm in the headsets you

536
00:27:34,190 --> 00:27:31,260
know and all of a sudden in the middle

537
00:27:37,820 --> 00:27:34,200
of one program she hears her mother's

538
00:27:39,740 --> 00:27:37,830
voice saying not candy but whatever

539
00:27:42,889 --> 00:27:39,750
Candy's nickname was that she said only

540
00:27:44,779 --> 00:27:42,899
her mother knew and it lasted for you

541
00:27:47,210 --> 00:27:44,789
know just a few seconds repeated that's

542
00:27:50,419 --> 00:27:47,220
again the candy candy and she said it

543
00:27:52,730 --> 00:27:50,429
definitely was her mother but the sound

544
00:27:54,380 --> 00:27:52,740
of her mother's voice but there was no

545
00:27:56,930 --> 00:27:54,390
possible way that she can figure out

546
00:28:00,080 --> 00:27:56,940
that her mother's voice should or could

547
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:00,090
have been on that tape because her

548
00:28:04,930 --> 00:28:02,250
mother had no access to recording

549
00:28:10,940 --> 00:28:04,940
equipment and she had never been in the

550
00:28:14,649 --> 00:28:10,950
NBC studio so how did her voice get on

551
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:14,659
that tape bill maybe you can tell me I

552
00:28:23,870 --> 00:28:17,610
just like to interject good thing it

553
00:28:27,529 --> 00:28:23,880
didn't say Candyman three times well you

554
00:28:28,909 --> 00:28:27,539
know yeah yeah Kenny had this thing

555
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:28,919
where she claims she was a

556
00:28:34,180 --> 00:28:31,440
mind-controlled victim if you know the

557
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:34,190
the story in fact there's a whole book

558
00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:36,960
out there she was kind of the female

559
00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:40,529
version of The Manchurian Candidate but

560
00:28:46,669 --> 00:28:42,510
but anyway how did the voice get on the

561
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:46,679
tape yeah well I know that's a perfect

562
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:49,770
example of you know Fanta message you

563
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:52,320
know and and that's that's what we tried

564
00:28:59,539 --> 00:28:56,010
to collect we tried to collect cases

565
00:29:01,700 --> 00:28:59,549
that had some unique elements and of

566
00:29:04,539 --> 00:29:01,710
course ones that had two or more were

567
00:29:07,490 --> 00:29:04,549
even more intriguing and in other words

568
00:29:09,380 --> 00:29:07,500
it's one thing if you know you hear a

569
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:09,390
song through a speaker you know could

570
00:29:15,470 --> 00:29:12,240
that be an old you know where they could

571
00:29:16,970 --> 00:29:15,480
act that way but then what is the song

572
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:16,980
you know I mean once everything starts

573
00:29:20,810 --> 00:29:18,690
fitting together then you're like wow

574
00:29:22,639 --> 00:29:20,820
this is really this is really different

575
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:22,649
because it's not just this it's there's

576
00:29:27,950 --> 00:29:24,450
and and sometimes it's in conjunction

577
00:29:29,419 --> 00:29:27,960
with a a larger haunting and sometimes

578
00:29:30,980 --> 00:29:29,429
it's not and that's the kind of thing

579
00:29:33,470 --> 00:29:30,990
that we track in the book to kind of

580
00:29:35,150 --> 00:29:33,480
look at all of what we see because of

581
00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:35,160
course we do see phantom

582
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:38,310
messages within a regular poltergeist or

583
00:29:42,830 --> 00:29:40,770
you know it's the kind of case we see

584
00:29:45,530 --> 00:29:42,840
him and the UFO lore but we wanted to

585
00:29:49,070 --> 00:29:45,540
really dig into the different types

586
00:29:51,170 --> 00:29:49,080
there were and and they're all

587
00:29:54,380 --> 00:29:51,180
fascinating but I don't know about Jimmy

588
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:54,390
but to me the the ones that and that

589
00:29:59,980 --> 00:29:56,490
they all maybe this I don't know but the

590
00:30:02,990 --> 00:29:59,990
ones that seem to be like time slips

591
00:30:04,820 --> 00:30:03,000
those to me are the and like I said who

592
00:30:06,970 --> 00:30:04,830
knows maybe they all are maybe you know

593
00:30:10,130 --> 00:30:06,980
but there are some that distinctly

594
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:10,140
appear like that and those to me were

595
00:30:17,780 --> 00:30:15,090
the most fascinating one some like the

596
00:30:21,410 --> 00:30:17,790
lady who her boyfriend picks up the

597
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:21,420
phone and here's what his unmistakeably

598
00:30:26,050 --> 00:30:23,970
he knows he just knows and and that's

599
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:26,060
the other thing in these cases

600
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:29,490
especially the time slip ones it's kind

601
00:30:32,990 --> 00:30:31,650
of like I guess not that unusual in the

602
00:30:35,210 --> 00:30:33,000
paranormal you know were you kind of

603
00:30:37,490 --> 00:30:35,220
like you instantly know you instantly

604
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:37,500
know that there is that this is

605
00:30:43,490 --> 00:30:39,570
different but anyhow so he's listening

606
00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:43,500
to this and it's a respirator and

607
00:30:50,420 --> 00:30:46,230
everything but he knows it's him and he

608
00:30:53,630 --> 00:30:50,430
knows he's hearing himself die and it

609
00:30:55,130 --> 00:30:53,640
and you know and then and then he person

610
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:55,140
ends up dying and you know the

611
00:30:59,000 --> 00:30:56,730
girlfriend heard it too but it's like

612
00:31:02,300 --> 00:30:59,010
when people hear these things it's like

613
00:31:04,340 --> 00:31:02,310
they instantly get that you know that

614
00:31:06,260 --> 00:31:04,350
not only that feeling but that knowledge

615
00:31:12,290 --> 00:31:06,270
of oh my god I'm just not hearing a

616
00:31:16,100 --> 00:31:12,300
respirator on the phone you know and so

617
00:31:18,620 --> 00:31:16,110
fanta messages are more than just phone

618
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:18,630
calls from the quote-unquote dead or

619
00:31:24,860 --> 00:31:21,330
whoever they are wherever they are but

620
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:24,870
they're they're also the living calling

621
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:27,840
the living without knowing and insisting

622
00:31:33,020 --> 00:31:30,690
they didn't it's the time slips

623
00:31:34,850 --> 00:31:33,030
it's the the letters is the things that

624
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:34,860
have been isolated and the things that

625
00:31:40,940 --> 00:31:38,730
happen over and over you know and the

626
00:31:45,290 --> 00:31:40,950
over and over ones are quite weird you

627
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:45,300
know like you know the lady talks to her

628
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:47,370
grandmother and I mean to her mother

629
00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:48,930
every day it you know

630
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:52,110
or and the mother dies she didn't even

631
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:53,730
know the mothers died and she's still

632
00:31:59,120 --> 00:31:56,370
talking every day at 4:00 and then they

633
00:32:02,180 --> 00:31:59,130
find out the person had died days before

634
00:32:04,010 --> 00:32:02,190
and and though and the mother kept

635
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:04,020
calling for it I think it was like two

636
00:32:12,350 --> 00:32:09,600
years and finally you know finally had

637
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:12,360
stopped and a lot of times these calls

638
00:32:21,890 --> 00:32:17,490
stopped when either they realize that

639
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:21,900
they're not there or when the caller you

640
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:24,290
know the person is hearing the call

641
00:32:29,870 --> 00:32:26,850
realizes or learns that they're dead the

642
00:32:31,460 --> 00:32:29,880
call that you know the call stops that's

643
00:32:34,090 --> 00:32:31,470
been a common occurrence so I think I

644
00:32:36,530 --> 00:32:34,100
didn't mean to ramble about that but

645
00:32:39,490 --> 00:32:36,540
yeah the Phantom message is we try to

646
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:39,500
look at all angles of it it's a pretty

647
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:41,370
you know there's a lot of different

648
00:32:44,570 --> 00:32:43,050
types as you can imagine it was kind of

649
00:32:47,810 --> 00:32:44,580
fun to you know to put them all together

650
00:32:50,410 --> 00:32:47,820
because of course we've seen you know

651
00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:50,420
the type of audio and phantom messages

652
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:53,940
and all in all areas you know the

653
00:32:59,710 --> 00:32:57,210
paranormal so what you know we were

654
00:33:02,450 --> 00:32:59,720
talking about the Randy and Geller and

655
00:33:06,290 --> 00:33:02,460
in all before I know I noticed she have

656
00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:06,300
a chapter or a short story in there

657
00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:10,020
about Houdini what was that in reference

658
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:17,220
to it was we had a chapter on Celebrity

659
00:33:22,150 --> 00:33:18,450
phantom messages

660
00:33:25,670 --> 00:33:22,160
and yes and I always like to include

661
00:33:29,510 --> 00:33:25,680
some of Houdini's wisdom because I

662
00:33:31,460 --> 00:33:29,520
thought he was very I I loved his spirit

663
00:33:34,970 --> 00:33:31,470
of how he went after it you know I mean

664
00:33:36,890 --> 00:33:34,980
most most people were just most people

665
00:33:39,530 --> 00:33:36,900
were like Randy that would just say I

666
00:33:42,170 --> 00:33:39,540
mean I loved Randy but it was sad that

667
00:33:45,020 --> 00:33:42,180
he just couldn't you know open himself

668
00:33:47,150 --> 00:33:45,030
up to anything but but anyhow that's you

669
00:33:50,420 --> 00:33:47,160
know hey the world needs some of them

670
00:33:55,820 --> 00:33:50,430
too as much as you know he frustrated me

671
00:33:59,330 --> 00:33:55,830
at times but but I'd liked you know like

672
00:34:02,760 --> 00:33:59,340
Houdini had a lot of these death

673
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:02,770
contracts he wanted to be able to

674
00:34:08,070 --> 00:34:05,200
tried to communicate from beyond and and

675
00:34:10,139 --> 00:34:08,080
he wanted his loved ones that he was

676
00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:10,149
close to the try to so they all had

677
00:34:15,870 --> 00:34:13,510
coats of what they would say to prove it

678
00:34:17,850 --> 00:34:15,880
was them so you know if they went to

679
00:34:19,380 --> 00:34:17,860
medium or something then they can they

680
00:34:22,940 --> 00:34:19,390
know if they get the right message that

681
00:34:25,409 --> 00:34:22,950
it would be you know his dear friend or

682
00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:25,419
he had about probably about a dozen

683
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:30,250
people he had packs with so so you know

684
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:32,800
I I thought that was interesting and and

685
00:34:38,940 --> 00:34:36,970
you know the other thing that the other

686
00:34:41,399 --> 00:34:38,950
part was in the theories and discussion

687
00:34:45,540 --> 00:34:41,409
if you're going to have anybody talk

688
00:34:49,530 --> 00:34:45,550
about you know perception or that as

689
00:34:51,389 --> 00:34:49,540
being one of the areas you know and

690
00:34:54,510 --> 00:34:51,399
looking at I mean nobody said it better

691
00:34:59,010 --> 00:34:54,520
than Houdini so so wasn't a lot but you

692
00:35:00,720 --> 00:34:59,020
know one a little bit but I to me you

693
00:35:02,910 --> 00:35:00,730
know when when we were doing this book

694
00:35:06,020 --> 00:35:02,920
just knowing about Houdini in the length

695
00:35:11,130 --> 00:35:06,030
that he went to you know the lengths

696
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:11,140
that he went to to thirty years to try

697
00:35:16,980 --> 00:35:13,690
to find it unfortunately he was around

698
00:35:18,930 --> 00:35:16,990
there in spiritualism so he got all the

699
00:35:21,330 --> 00:35:18,940
fakes going to them you know I mean it

700
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:21,340
was you know I would have look he you

701
00:35:25,350 --> 00:35:23,290
know too bad somebody wasn't there to

702
00:35:27,930 --> 00:35:25,360
say hey Harry you know let's go to this

703
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:27,940
poltergeist you know because he was like

704
00:35:33,060 --> 00:35:30,640
he was a guy who wanted to I mean he

705
00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:33,070
wanted to go but of course unfortunately

706
00:35:37,110 --> 00:35:35,110
that's who you're gonna attract if

707
00:35:38,220 --> 00:35:37,120
you're you know if you're famous and you

708
00:35:39,870 --> 00:35:38,230
know somebody wants to get in the

709
00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:39,880
limelight you know they're gonna go to

710
00:35:43,290 --> 00:35:41,710
him until he put them all out of

711
00:35:46,620 --> 00:35:43,300
business and they stopped going to him

712
00:35:49,940 --> 00:35:46,630
but I mean that was unfortunate if he if

713
00:35:53,010 --> 00:35:49,950
he was on you know able to connect with

714
00:35:56,010 --> 00:35:53,020
you know some of the some of the cases

715
00:35:58,970 --> 00:35:56,020
out there that work the popular that was

716
00:36:01,500 --> 00:35:58,980
what was going on in his time you know

717
00:36:04,830 --> 00:36:01,510
unfortunately that's what was huge in

718
00:36:08,030 --> 00:36:04,840
this time so it was an unfortunate

719
00:36:11,550 --> 00:36:08,040
distraction because he was a guy who was

720
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:11,560
open enough and and his spirit of trying

721
00:36:15,630 --> 00:36:14,170
to find it was it was very admirable and

722
00:36:20,670 --> 00:36:15,640
expensive you know

723
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:20,680
I think one of the more fascinating

724
00:36:25,170 --> 00:36:22,450
cases that I I know that I've followed

725
00:36:28,650 --> 00:36:25,180
this one for quite some time that you

726
00:36:33,300 --> 00:36:28,660
have in your book was the Ken Webster

727
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:33,310
and evokes case in in England which

728
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:36,850
would probably be I don't know time slip

729
00:36:45,150 --> 00:36:42,000
witchcraft it's hard to say yeah

730
00:36:47,340 --> 00:36:45,160
fascinating fascinating case

731
00:36:49,980 --> 00:36:47,350
and that's why Jamie and I wanted to say

732
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:49,990
let's let's dig deep you know now we

733
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:53,530
have computers you know we can research

734
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:55,450
some of this you know let's track down

735
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:58,480
some people you know let's dig deeper

736
00:37:03,570 --> 00:37:00,640
because this it's just a fascinating

737
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:03,580
fascinating case and I agree like what

738
00:37:06,750 --> 00:37:05,200
you said you know you know what is it

739
00:37:11,310 --> 00:37:06,760
well you know there were some things

740
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:11,320
that were poltergeists like but you know

741
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:13,930
certainly not the class well maybe not

742
00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:17,890
the classic but but yeah I mean timeslip

743
00:37:25,230 --> 00:37:21,730
seem to be the best definition what else

744
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:25,240
do you call it yeah that's over 300 fan

745
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:27,490
of messages that certainly was the king

746
00:37:37,110 --> 00:37:32,170
of phantom you know for the listeners

747
00:37:39,630 --> 00:37:37,120
had some a case of one of the very very

748
00:37:41,970 --> 00:37:39,640
early computers and the 80s had no

749
00:37:45,090 --> 00:37:41,980
capability send messages anything like

750
00:37:49,860 --> 00:37:45,100
we have today with these strange old

751
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:49,870
English messages showing up and let's

752
00:37:54,570 --> 00:37:52,570
make a long story short because some may

753
00:37:56,690 --> 00:37:54,580
know the story but you know there's over

754
00:38:04,680 --> 00:37:56,700
300 messages that they were

755
00:38:07,980 --> 00:38:04,690
communicating with this Thomas from from

756
00:38:09,810 --> 00:38:07,990
400 years ago it appeared that they

757
00:38:14,730 --> 00:38:09,820
might have been communicating with

758
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:14,740
someone from the future or it's tough

759
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:16,800
when we say time because we don't know

760
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:19,570
you know it they may not be in the

761
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:21,250
future maybe our patent you know

762
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:24,880
whatever but and and you know ken and

763
00:38:29,130 --> 00:38:27,850
and Deb who also said I mean they think

764
00:38:31,319 --> 00:38:29,140
that

765
00:38:33,690 --> 00:38:31,329
you know some of the communicators were

766
00:38:35,789 --> 00:38:33,700
messing with them and and not those

767
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:35,799
hoaxes but just that you know they don't

768
00:38:41,759 --> 00:38:39,609
really know if this person is who they

769
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:41,769
said they were this you know they really

770
00:38:49,019 --> 00:38:45,210
do believe though that it was Thomas and

771
00:38:51,690 --> 00:38:49,029
those questions back and forth were

772
00:38:55,069 --> 00:38:51,700
answered lightning fast and very old

773
00:38:57,240 --> 00:38:55,079
English and that you know that was

774
00:39:00,029 --> 00:38:57,250
remarkable and it was done under test

775
00:39:03,660 --> 00:39:00,039
conditions and that Gary row was kind

776
00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:03,670
enough to you know finally talk about

777
00:39:13,259 --> 00:39:08,049
this case and really really said good

778
00:39:16,140 --> 00:39:13,269
about it because he was there and and he

779
00:39:18,180 --> 00:39:16,150
did it under controlled conditions with

780
00:39:19,740 --> 00:39:18,190
his own computer and everything else and

781
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:19,750
the things that were happening there

782
00:39:30,269 --> 00:39:25,359
were were remarkable and and definitely

783
00:39:32,670 --> 00:39:30,279
it's um yeah it's one of my favorite

784
00:39:38,249 --> 00:39:32,680
chapters for sure because it's just such

785
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:38,259
a fascinating case well no I just I know

786
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:39,490
what a reading might tell the whole long

787
00:39:45,210 --> 00:39:43,119
story but this was back in 1984 when

788
00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:45,220
there was no internet no instant

789
00:39:50,539 --> 00:39:48,609
messaging no email really and they were

790
00:39:54,539 --> 00:39:50,549
getting instant messages back and forth

791
00:40:01,160 --> 00:39:54,549
from the president 1984 from 400 years

792
00:40:06,410 --> 00:40:01,170
ago on their computer thank you well and

793
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:06,420
the person that was sending the messages

794
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:09,130
said that you know I mean you know he

795
00:40:14,549 --> 00:40:11,920
said that he wasn't dead that he was

796
00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:14,559
seen what did he how did he describe it

797
00:40:20,370 --> 00:40:17,710
he said it was like a light box or

798
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:20,380
something like that yeah yeah he called

799
00:40:25,499 --> 00:40:23,440
the computer a light box and they asked

800
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:25,509
them that you know how he got it and and

801
00:40:32,370 --> 00:40:28,960
he said he said it was like the wall

802
00:40:35,779 --> 00:40:32,380
opened up and the devil himself stepped

803
00:40:38,279 --> 00:40:35,789
now he said but it wasn't the devil

804
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:38,289
maybe in that you know to him he was

805
00:40:42,910 --> 00:40:40,089
shocked and you know he sees this thing

806
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:42,920
walking on the wall so there's a big

807
00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:46,730
the lightbox and so certainly sounds

808
00:40:52,210 --> 00:40:49,730
from all from what I gather I mean my

809
00:40:54,789 --> 00:40:52,220
guess course would be alien but I mean

810
00:40:59,380 --> 00:40:54,799
how accurate is that I mean alien we

811
00:41:01,299 --> 00:40:59,390
know it's a well you know what I mean

812
00:41:04,660 --> 00:41:01,309
it's timing to me it sounds and then

813
00:41:06,970 --> 00:41:04,670
there was a element of an experiment

814
00:41:11,259 --> 00:41:06,980
going on but one of the most fascinating

815
00:41:13,569 --> 00:41:11,269
things is the predictions of predicting

816
00:41:18,700 --> 00:41:13,579
the next supernova and of course at the

817
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:18,710
time kin and Deb were we're talking

818
00:41:22,269 --> 00:41:20,450
about it before of course they became

819
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:22,279
discussed it because you know they

820
00:41:32,609 --> 00:41:27,680
learned that you know it's it's a tough

821
00:41:37,839 --> 00:41:32,619
thing when you go public like that but

822
00:41:40,269 --> 00:41:37,849
it's such a weird weird case that that

823
00:41:42,279 --> 00:41:40,279
you just know it's well you I mean you

824
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:42,289
just know it's I know solution because

825
00:41:46,420 --> 00:41:44,000
yeah carry your own stuff but I mean

826
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:46,430
it's so weird that if that if you were

827
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:49,490
gonna write like a fake look like yeah I

828
00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:51,200
mean you just wouldn't have put some of

829
00:41:55,359 --> 00:41:52,609
the stuff in it and matter of fact that

830
00:41:58,029 --> 00:41:55,369
I don't know you guys are i know ken had

831
00:42:00,579 --> 00:41:58,039
commented that i used that made a mad is

832
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:00,589
that by telling the truth and everything

833
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:03,650
that happened some of it just sounded

834
00:42:08,349 --> 00:42:05,359
not you know what i mean but that's

835
00:42:09,609 --> 00:42:08,359
that's how it's like mark twain said you

836
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:09,619
know truth is stranger than fiction

837
00:42:13,690 --> 00:42:11,839
because you know fiction of course that

838
00:42:16,420 --> 00:42:13,700
has to make sense you know it's all got

839
00:42:18,490 --> 00:42:16,430
a make you know you know fictions bad

840
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:18,500
one just doesn't make sense whereas you

841
00:42:25,029 --> 00:42:21,680
know we know the truth the truth doesn't

842
00:42:30,609 --> 00:42:25,039
have to follow any rules the yeah the

843
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:30,619
paranormal just just is you know and of

844
00:42:37,059 --> 00:42:34,400
course nowadays yeah that yeah nowadays

845
00:42:41,230 --> 00:42:37,069
it would be a lot easier to you know

846
00:42:43,509 --> 00:42:41,240
they kind of fake it with connected

847
00:42:45,490 --> 00:42:43,519
computers and everything like that well

848
00:42:47,620 --> 00:42:45,500
but as jimmy pointed out then i mean

849
00:42:50,380 --> 00:42:47,630
this was a computer that was borrowed

850
00:42:54,190 --> 00:42:50,390
from the BBC and i mean it was you know

851
00:42:56,349 --> 00:42:54,200
i mean they're not connected in any way

852
00:42:58,089 --> 00:42:56,359
and I mean you know

853
00:43:01,749 --> 00:42:58,099
all the way back there there's like what

854
00:43:06,940 --> 00:43:01,759
probably had 50 megabyte pipes of hard

855
00:43:09,609 --> 00:43:06,950
drives oh right yeah you know it reminds

856
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:09,619
me of what they used to say about the

857
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:12,079
cattle mutations they'd say oh you know

858
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:14,960
it can't be a laser because the laser it

859
00:43:20,769 --> 00:43:18,079
has to be huge but well today guess what

860
00:43:23,769 --> 00:43:20,779
today we got lasers that are huge you

861
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:23,779
know anything so in it it is kind of

862
00:43:28,539 --> 00:43:26,480
interesting but but yeah you know we've

863
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:28,549
we've come a long way with that for sure

864
00:43:33,099 --> 00:43:30,410
but I mean they did even at the time

865
00:43:35,170 --> 00:43:33,109
check to make sure there wasn't you know

866
00:43:36,549 --> 00:43:35,180
three vans worth of equipment or

867
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:36,559
something that would be able to somehow

868
00:43:41,229 --> 00:43:39,440
do it or somebody would be able to like

869
00:43:43,059 --> 00:43:41,239
his man made he thought was messing with

870
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:43,069
him you know but they didn't know how

871
00:43:47,950 --> 00:43:46,249
was happening and and it was just too

872
00:43:50,620 --> 00:43:47,960
much and of course it got much more

873
00:43:52,749 --> 00:43:50,630
bizarre with the Aged photo going back

874
00:43:56,410 --> 00:43:52,759
and forth and I was fascinated by the

875
00:43:58,569 --> 00:43:56,420
fact that Thomas like one of his very

876
00:44:02,079 --> 00:43:58,579
first questions that he wanted to know

877
00:44:05,259 --> 00:44:02,089
more than anything else was what the

878
00:44:08,319 --> 00:44:05,269
material was that was on the desk and

879
00:44:10,660 --> 00:44:08,329
there was a plastic notebook and that

880
00:44:13,870 --> 00:44:10,670
was a that was like the burning question

881
00:44:16,210 --> 00:44:13,880
what is that material it doesn't look

882
00:44:19,029 --> 00:44:16,220
like wood it you know he doesn't know

883
00:44:21,609 --> 00:44:19,039
yeah I haven't seen plastic like that so

884
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:21,619
to me I'm reading that I'm like wow this

885
00:44:27,130 --> 00:44:23,930
is fascinating because it was such a

886
00:44:30,609 --> 00:44:27,140
fascinating conversation and messages

887
00:44:33,579 --> 00:44:30,619
throughout the entire ordeal because you

888
00:44:36,130 --> 00:44:33,589
know it just seemed so honestly like

889
00:44:37,569 --> 00:44:36,140
what somebody from that time you know

890
00:44:39,819 --> 00:44:37,579
what they would ask what they would

891
00:44:41,979 --> 00:44:39,829
notice what you know what they would

892
00:44:48,099 --> 00:44:41,989
want to know you know I mean how they

893
00:44:53,410 --> 00:44:48,109
would react just everything was it was

894
00:44:57,930 --> 00:44:53,420
fascinating and just just the sheer fact

895
00:45:01,779 --> 00:44:57,940
that this this guy was was willing to

896
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:01,789
have these conversations rather than you

897
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:03,890
know screaming which and running out the

898
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:06,640
door never to come back again

899
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:14,349
yeah yeah fascinating case but you know

900
00:45:20,859 --> 00:45:19,280
there's there's you guys may have heard

901
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:20,869
of that but there's the rosenheim

902
00:45:25,060 --> 00:45:23,090
poltergeist South Shields poltergeist I

903
00:45:27,310 --> 00:45:25,070
mean they had some fascinating phantom

904
00:45:30,670 --> 00:45:27,320
messages one of my favorite is the

905
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:30,680
office where you know were they in

906
00:45:35,710 --> 00:45:32,930
London where they had the clock that you

907
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:35,720
can call it at the time and you know

908
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:37,520
these phones were going berserk and they

909
00:45:41,890 --> 00:45:39,410
replaced them they tried everything and

910
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:41,900
I think I forget the amount of times but

911
00:45:45,970 --> 00:45:44,240
it called it called for that number I

912
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:45,980
don't know if it was a hundred times or

913
00:45:50,740 --> 00:45:49,040
something and so the guy gets a bill for

914
00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:50,750
the whole you know all these phone calls

915
00:45:53,950 --> 00:45:52,310
and he had to complain and they're like

916
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:53,960
well the phone calls are made he goes

917
00:45:59,020 --> 00:45:56,240
it's physically impossible for me to

918
00:46:02,130 --> 00:45:59,030
dial the phone that way so they ended up

919
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:02,140
taking the calls off but that yeah just

920
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:05,359
it is fascinating you know and anytime

921
00:46:09,340 --> 00:46:06,890
anywhere it will use your cell phone

922
00:46:12,099 --> 00:46:09,350
though

923
00:46:14,140 --> 00:46:12,109
it's just all different mess and methods

924
00:46:16,450 --> 00:46:14,150
but but you know they get through

925
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:16,460
whoever they may be depending on you

926
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:18,290
know what kind of call it is or kind of

927
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:21,290
communication it is well that's that's

928
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:23,410
just that uh you know poltergeist

929
00:46:28,990 --> 00:46:26,330
especially seemed to love playing with

930
00:46:29,620 --> 00:46:29,000
the telephone you know whether that's

931
00:46:31,630 --> 00:46:29,630
right

932
00:46:33,370 --> 00:46:31,640
you know whether it's like making you

933
00:46:37,660 --> 00:46:33,380
know these little multiple phone calls

934
00:46:40,330 --> 00:46:37,670
to you know cases that that I've heard

935
00:46:43,150 --> 00:46:40,340
about where say somebody would call a

936
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:43,160
household that's you know being haunted

937
00:46:48,460 --> 00:46:45,530
by a poltergeist somebody will answer

938
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:48,470
who will sound like the person who's

939
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:49,850
living there they'll have a conversation

940
00:46:55,180 --> 00:46:52,850
but then later that person will say well

941
00:46:57,609 --> 00:46:55,190
I didn't talk to you on the phone either

942
00:46:59,020 --> 00:46:57,619
there were even wasn't anybody home yeah

943
00:47:00,430 --> 00:46:59,030
all right well I'm gonna have to

944
00:47:02,530 --> 00:47:00,440
interrupt this because we have to go to

945
00:47:06,730 --> 00:47:02,540
our top of the hour break so when we

946
00:47:19,180 --> 00:47:06,740
come back we'll continue with more than

947
00:47:26,130 --> 00:47:23,470
explode the bazaars are your e-ticket

948
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:26,140
riders of the world of the paranoid

949
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:29,450
strap yourself in as we traverse the

950
00:47:38,170 --> 00:47:33,760
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

951
00:47:42,339 --> 00:47:38,180
ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters

952
00:47:46,809 --> 00:47:42,349
as well as other dimensions it's time to

953
00:47:49,089 --> 00:47:46,819
take back the night last night now you

954
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:49,099
are electrifying hosts of exploring the

955
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:57,849
alright welcome back to the second hour

956
00:48:01,960 --> 00:47:59,839
of exploring the bizarre I'm Tim

957
00:48:07,150 --> 00:48:01,970
Schwartz along with Timothy green

958
00:48:10,750 --> 00:48:07,160
Beckley and tonight and we're talking

959
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:10,760
with Bill Hall and Jimmy Jimmy I keep

960
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:12,290
wanting to call him jiminy I don't know

961
00:48:20,500 --> 00:48:15,890
why that's call me jiminy jiminy

962
00:48:22,450 --> 00:48:20,510
Jimmy Pasadena or mr. haunted just make

963
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:22,460
the checks out to the proper spelling

964
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:29,569
that's all but Jimmy I wanted to ask you

965
00:48:36,430 --> 00:48:32,450
out of all the stories that that you

966
00:48:39,220 --> 00:48:36,440
have in your bills a new book phantom

967
00:48:42,099 --> 00:48:39,230
messages uh do you have a favorite or a

968
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:42,109
couple of favorites I I have a favorite

969
00:48:47,050 --> 00:48:44,650
that that jiminy actually investigated

970
00:48:49,450 --> 00:48:47,060
can I hear a little about that

971
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:49,460
yes definitely all right this was a case

972
00:48:55,660 --> 00:48:51,770
we had investigated and late night was

973
00:48:56,829 --> 00:48:55,670
1995 or so and and I didn't realize till

974
00:49:01,260 --> 00:48:56,839
after we started write in a book this

975
00:49:04,780 --> 00:49:01,270
fits right into you know our category so

976
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:04,790
this this particular family was

977
00:49:12,460 --> 00:49:06,770
complaining that their cable box was

978
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:12,470
talking to them and when we we went to

979
00:49:18,579 --> 00:49:14,480
their house to investigate the whole

980
00:49:21,940 --> 00:49:18,589
thing and there was a husband wife and a

981
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:21,950
14 year old son and you know we asked

982
00:49:25,390 --> 00:49:23,690
what happened and they said one one

983
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:25,400
Friday night they're watching Seinfeld

984
00:49:31,329 --> 00:49:28,970
rerun and their cable box started

985
00:49:32,890 --> 00:49:31,339
flipping out just you know going to

986
00:49:34,690 --> 00:49:32,900
random stations was back

987
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:34,700
days when the cable market only went

988
00:49:40,779 --> 00:49:38,210
from zero to 70 so I was racing back 0

989
00:49:42,130 --> 00:49:40,789
to 70 back and forth and and I said

990
00:49:43,259 --> 00:49:42,140
something's wrong with the cable you

991
00:49:47,620 --> 00:49:43,269
know available go to bed

992
00:49:51,359 --> 00:49:47,630
so the next day about the same time the

993
00:49:54,999 --> 00:49:51,369
cable box start flipping out again the

994
00:49:56,859 --> 00:49:55,009
the 14 year old boy has a cousin that

995
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:56,869
lives in Florida that they visit

996
00:50:02,709 --> 00:49:58,880
frequently and he committed suicide a

997
00:50:04,569 --> 00:50:02,719
couple weeks before so the son suggested

998
00:50:07,690 --> 00:50:04,579
he was maybe it's cousin whoever trying

999
00:50:09,579 --> 00:50:07,700
to communicate with us so when I did

1000
00:50:12,700 --> 00:50:09,589
that I started flipping out real bad

1001
00:50:15,999 --> 00:50:12,710
the the cable bugs so I think it was the

1002
00:50:19,809 --> 00:50:16,009
mother that said let's say that channel

1003
00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:19,819
one is that one channel one doesn't even

1004
00:50:26,170 --> 00:50:21,710
exist I think it starts at two but like

1005
00:50:27,789 --> 00:50:26,180
Channel One is a and channel 26 is Z so

1006
00:50:31,930 --> 00:50:27,799
immediately the cable box went to

1007
00:50:37,359 --> 00:50:31,940
channels 25 5 and then 19 which we're

1008
00:50:38,469 --> 00:50:37,369
using that code spelled yes right so for

1009
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:38,479
the next hour or so

1010
00:50:43,749 --> 00:50:40,729
they were asking the TV questions

1011
00:50:45,819 --> 00:50:43,759
imagine that and then they would write

1012
00:50:49,749 --> 00:50:45,829
down all the channels I went to and then

1013
00:50:52,809 --> 00:50:49,759
decipher all the answers later and I

1014
00:50:55,329 --> 00:50:52,819
told them this big long story how this

1015
00:50:57,759 --> 00:50:55,339
man was murdered and their data I think

1016
00:50:58,839 --> 00:50:57,769
was a first-floor apartment that my man

1017
00:51:01,509 --> 00:50:58,849
was murdered murdered in their apartment

1018
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:01,519
and he was carried out and a real

1019
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:04,160
detailed messages he was carried out in

1020
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:06,170
a carpet rolled up in a carpet by two

1021
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:09,170
men they gave us a social security

1022
00:51:13,509 --> 00:51:11,119
number the dead man's social security

1023
00:51:15,660 --> 00:51:13,519
number so the father is like you know

1024
00:51:19,029 --> 00:51:15,670
the this might be an unsolved mystery

1025
00:51:21,609 --> 00:51:19,039
that this the soul needs help and he

1026
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:21,619
called the police department and told

1027
00:51:27,729 --> 00:51:23,690
him the story the police came to

1028
00:51:31,299 --> 00:51:27,739
investigate and they after researching

1029
00:51:31,900 --> 00:51:31,309
the social security number that never

1030
00:51:35,289 --> 00:51:31,910
existed

1031
00:51:38,170 --> 00:51:35,299
the the name that the cable box gave

1032
00:51:40,509 --> 00:51:38,180
them that that man he was not a missing

1033
00:51:44,799 --> 00:51:40,519
person it didn't match anything anybody

1034
00:51:46,570 --> 00:51:44,809
that was missing or any day so they

1035
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:46,580
weren't sure who they were talking to

1036
00:51:50,770 --> 00:51:49,280
that went on for months yeah and in was

1037
00:51:51,940 --> 00:51:50,780
interesting was you know you could say

1038
00:51:54,610 --> 00:51:51,950
somebody was playing around with the box

1039
00:51:57,310 --> 00:51:54,620
but the police witnessed the Box doing

1040
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:57,320
this and we have also pictures of the

1041
00:52:04,570 --> 00:52:00,800
police reports in the book of with the

1042
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:04,580
police witnessed I remember the the

1043
00:52:10,420 --> 00:52:06,880
cable box told the police officers

1044
00:52:14,020 --> 00:52:10,430
child's names through the cable box how

1045
00:52:16,930 --> 00:52:14,030
old the the phone number the responding

1046
00:52:18,460 --> 00:52:16,940
officers home phone number and like I

1047
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:18,470
said this is before Internet pretty much

1048
00:52:20,620 --> 00:52:19,610
it's like oh you're gonna find everybody

1049
00:52:25,720 --> 00:52:20,630
that quick anymore

1050
00:52:28,660 --> 00:52:25,730
oh and also the cable box would address

1051
00:52:31,690 --> 00:52:28,670
you as your age so that was like your

1052
00:52:33,820 --> 00:52:31,700
name so the father was 44 at the time so

1053
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:33,830
anytime he walked into the room the TV

1054
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:36,530
would switch to 44 and they understood

1055
00:52:41,530 --> 00:52:39,170
that Simeon hi when he left the room it

1056
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:41,540
would go to 44 three times and they

1057
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:43,250
understood that speak goodbye so they

1058
00:52:47,950 --> 00:52:45,440
used to have parties where the neighbors

1059
00:52:49,450 --> 00:52:47,960
would come over and that they escort you

1060
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:49,460
know them all into the room individually

1061
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:52,490
and it would tell their age on the on

1062
00:52:59,770 --> 00:52:58,130
the cable box so after a while somebody

1063
00:53:01,930 --> 00:52:59,780
suggested oh why don't you try to get a

1064
00:53:07,260 --> 00:53:01,940
new cable box so they called the cable

1065
00:53:10,690 --> 00:53:07,270
company that's no fun it's a treasure

1066
00:53:13,660 --> 00:53:10,700
but uh yes so the cable technician came

1067
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:13,670
over and exchange boxes and you know

1068
00:53:18,940 --> 00:53:15,680
they were asking questions and nothing

1069
00:53:21,130 --> 00:53:18,950
was happening so um if they said as the

1070
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:21,140
you know the the lady that installed the

1071
00:53:25,570 --> 00:53:22,640
cable was leaving slips over her

1072
00:53:30,910 --> 00:53:25,580
shoulder and a flashed her age and then

1073
00:53:35,310 --> 00:53:30,920
she ran out of there a great Twilight

1074
00:53:41,170 --> 00:53:35,320
Zone story it really is a good story

1075
00:53:46,090 --> 00:53:41,180
yeah I mean that yeah that's why light

1076
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:46,100
so definitely of course their episodes

1077
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:48,770
as you guys I'm sure if you probably

1078
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:53,330
think it look you these Cairo go type

1079
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:55,370
was you know phone calls from my dad and

1080
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:56,930
that kind of thing so yeah you're

1081
00:54:00,550 --> 00:53:58,880
absolutely right that that does sound

1082
00:54:04,750 --> 00:54:00,560
like you make a great one

1083
00:54:09,550 --> 00:54:04,760
hey Jimmy what was probably from what

1084
00:54:11,530 --> 00:54:09,560
you know of course are one of our

1085
00:54:14,220 --> 00:54:11,540
favorite topics on exploring a bizarre

1086
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:14,230
broadcast every Thursday night on K cor

1087
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:17,210
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1088
00:54:23,230 --> 00:54:20,210
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1089
00:54:26,500 --> 00:54:23,240
of hosts secret the file is the UFO

1090
00:54:29,100 --> 00:54:26,510
phenomena and I think this kind of ties

1091
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:29,110
in that there had been several UFO flaps

1092
00:54:35,410 --> 00:54:31,490
around the United States and possibly

1093
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:35,420
the world where ham radio operators were

1094
00:54:41,410 --> 00:54:38,570
able to pick up a sea of signals coming

1095
00:54:43,950 --> 00:54:41,420
well Tim I didn't did a Tesla claimed

1096
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:43,960
that he was picking up signals on his

1097
00:54:50,410 --> 00:54:47,210
radio oh yeah yeah you know you have to

1098
00:54:54,570 --> 00:54:50,420
remember that Tesla were picked these up

1099
00:54:58,270 --> 00:54:54,580
in what 1898 and as far as anybody knows

1100
00:55:01,180 --> 00:54:58,280
Tesla had the only radio receiver and

1101
00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:01,190
nobody else was transmitting radio as

1102
00:55:07,150 --> 00:55:03,310
far as we know at that point in time

1103
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:07,160
there was a flap down in Lumberton North

1104
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:09,530
Carolina that Lee Spiegel investigated

1105
00:55:15,150 --> 00:55:12,890
many years ago where a ham radio

1106
00:55:18,070 --> 00:55:15,160
operators were sitting around at night

1107
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:18,080
and they would hear these broadcasts

1108
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:19,970
that supposedly coming and it would

1109
00:55:23,830 --> 00:55:22,490
repeat the same thing like it was you

1110
00:55:26,620 --> 00:55:23,840
know on a loop that it was a

1111
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:26,630
transmission from the spaceship blah

1112
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:28,640
blah blah hovering over blah blah blah

1113
00:55:33,220 --> 00:55:31,280
and and on and on and on but not just

1114
00:55:37,330 --> 00:55:33,230
picked up by one a ham radio operator

1115
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:37,340
but picked up by you know a several of

1116
00:55:41,740 --> 00:55:39,890
them and even the astronauts because I

1117
00:55:43,690 --> 00:55:41,750
went through the transcript so many many

1118
00:55:45,700 --> 00:55:43,700
years ago they were even picking up

1119
00:55:48,250 --> 00:55:45,710
mysterious signals of some kind and

1120
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:48,260
they're in their headsets you know I

1121
00:55:59,080 --> 00:55:51,890
mean so the UFOs have been a plagued in

1122
00:56:00,910 --> 00:55:59,090
a sense by strange transmissions well

1123
00:56:04,210 --> 00:56:00,920
you have one in the book I know about

1124
00:56:08,890 --> 00:56:04,220
the the case of in England where the TV

1125
00:56:13,900 --> 00:56:08,900
was taken over yes yeah that's a

1126
00:56:21,460 --> 00:56:13,910
fascinating one the yeah the TV and the

1127
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:21,470
it was a TV and a computer so and that

1128
00:56:29,650 --> 00:56:25,599
was really really that was a bizarre one

1129
00:56:29,829 --> 00:56:29,660
with the yeah was the basic mess you

1130
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:29,839
know

1131
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:40,640
be nice to each other kind of thing but

1132
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:45,650
it was it was a real fight then they

1133
00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:49,970
shoot you with their ray gun yeah but

1134
00:56:56,140 --> 00:56:53,089
you know you know but for whoever it is

1135
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:56,150
whether it was just you know that person

1136
00:57:05,230 --> 00:57:00,079
themselves you know in a time slip or

1137
00:57:07,260 --> 00:57:05,240
something certainly a fascinating case

1138
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:07,270
but like you said with UFOs

1139
00:57:12,099 --> 00:57:10,010
there's the insects sounds the calls

1140
00:57:15,329 --> 00:57:12,109
being interrupted and the same kind of

1141
00:57:18,849 --> 00:57:15,339
thing you get in the hauntings where

1142
00:57:23,980 --> 00:57:18,859
you'll hear the proton quote spirit or

1143
00:57:26,849 --> 00:57:23,990
entity on the phone or take over part of

1144
00:57:31,210 --> 00:57:26,859
the phone and you see the same thing in

1145
00:57:34,599 --> 00:57:31,220
in the UFO area with the taken over the

1146
00:57:37,059 --> 00:57:34,609
phone so it's it's you know we do see

1147
00:57:40,660 --> 00:57:37,069
that commonality across all the

1148
00:57:46,029 --> 00:57:40,670
different kinds of phantom messages and

1149
00:57:49,950 --> 00:57:46,039
of course John keel is yeah there you go

1150
00:57:52,900 --> 00:57:49,960
yeah yeah yep he had some phenomenal

1151
00:57:54,339 --> 00:57:52,910
yeah well that all sorted started down

1152
00:57:57,609 --> 00:57:54,349
there in Point Pleasant West Virginia

1153
00:57:59,740 --> 00:57:57,619
with the arrival of a Mothman well you

1154
00:58:01,180 --> 00:57:59,750
tell it you know the story about how we

1155
00:58:04,180 --> 00:58:01,190
would receive these cell phone calls

1156
00:58:07,450 --> 00:58:04,190
that is a motel where he was staying and

1157
00:58:11,019 --> 00:58:07,460
nobody even knew he was there oh yeah

1158
00:58:14,650 --> 00:58:11,029
and and and when they had a whole bunch

1159
00:58:16,569 --> 00:58:14,660
of while you're out slips basically

1160
00:58:19,359 --> 00:58:16,579
waiting for him at a hotel but he just

1161
00:58:21,130 --> 00:58:19,369
suddenly decided yeah I'll stop now yeah

1162
00:58:23,319 --> 00:58:21,140
and they're like oh we got a bunch of

1163
00:58:25,029 --> 00:58:23,329
messages three of us are feeling like we

1164
00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:25,039
talking about I didn't know is gonna

1165
00:58:28,170 --> 00:58:26,569
stay here with you and they were all

1166
00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:28,180
like gibberish with

1167
00:58:34,900 --> 00:58:31,249
which of course is also not uncommon for

1168
00:58:36,759 --> 00:58:34,910
these bizarre occurrences but yeah we

1169
00:58:38,739 --> 00:58:36,769
did include some of the some of the

1170
00:58:42,039 --> 00:58:38,749
classics because you just have to and

1171
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:42,049
and of course John kills his fan of

1172
00:58:47,019 --> 00:58:44,690
messages differently word your cold

1173
00:58:57,069 --> 00:58:47,029
injury cold calling them on the phone I

1174
00:58:59,499 --> 00:58:57,079
guess yeah just really amazing and and

1175
00:59:01,720 --> 00:58:59,509
yes so the extraterrestrial thing and

1176
00:59:06,420 --> 00:59:01,730
you guys talked about signals we also

1177
00:59:11,319 --> 00:59:06,430
have a case in there where we were

1178
00:59:15,609 --> 00:59:11,329
interviewed the scientists and it it's

1179
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:15,619
the most it's an anomaly that can't be

1180
00:59:22,539 --> 00:59:20,089
explained and in so and it's in solar

1181
00:59:24,999 --> 00:59:22,549
like star so in other words they did I

1182
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:25,009
you know there's a hypothesis that's

1183
00:59:28,509 --> 00:59:26,480
been out there that if we receive a

1184
00:59:31,150 --> 00:59:28,519
signal or whatever we received something

1185
00:59:34,539 --> 00:59:31,160
these are the kinds of things we would

1186
00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:34,549
look for as far as anomalies whatever so

1187
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:39,200
that exists and this wavelength at this

1188
00:59:44,470 --> 00:59:41,930
experiment that these guys did they got

1189
00:59:48,670 --> 00:59:44,480
such a signal that matched that format

1190
00:59:51,249 --> 00:59:48,680
and so you know we're interviewing one

1191
00:59:52,779 --> 00:59:51,259
of the scientists on the paper and and

1192
00:59:54,940 --> 00:59:52,789
of course you know and they don't dance

1193
00:59:57,339 --> 00:59:54,950
around it they they say in their

1194
00:59:59,200 --> 00:59:57,349
scientific paper that you know the

1195
01:00:01,420 --> 00:59:59,210
extra-terrestrial hypothesis is

1196
01:00:03,579 --> 01:00:01,430
definitely I mean that's in play here

1197
01:00:07,089 --> 01:00:03,589
there's they mentioned one other thing

1198
01:00:10,029 --> 01:00:07,099
that it could be but but you know like

1199
01:00:12,729 --> 01:00:10,039
that like like the guy told told Jim you

1200
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:12,739
know you know it you know we have to

1201
01:00:18,819 --> 01:00:15,170
allow for other stuff but he said I'm

1202
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:18,829
telling you matreya lead to me if I had

1203
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:21,650
to say what it was it would be this is

1204
01:00:29,769 --> 01:00:24,170
it this is this is some sort of signal

1205
01:00:32,589 --> 01:00:29,779
and and so that the entire paper is of

1206
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:32,599
course put in English thanks to these

1207
01:00:37,749 --> 01:00:35,119
wonderful scientists and then we also

1208
01:00:41,499 --> 01:00:37,759
reproduce the actual scientific study

1209
01:00:45,009 --> 01:00:41,509
but it's it's the newest and

1210
01:00:46,629 --> 01:00:45,019
I think most exciting thing of course

1211
01:00:50,019 --> 01:00:46,639
the the thing that is always

1212
01:00:52,929 --> 01:00:50,029
disappointing is now what you know now

1213
01:00:55,089 --> 01:00:52,939
how do you validate it and and you know

1214
01:00:57,849 --> 01:00:55,099
how you know so it's like everything

1215
01:01:00,459 --> 01:00:57,859
else you know that this is that this is

1216
01:01:03,039 --> 01:01:00,469
something really cool and really

1217
01:01:05,919 --> 01:01:03,049
different but now how do we find out

1218
01:01:07,509 --> 01:01:05,929
exactly what it is you know but and of

1219
01:01:10,359 --> 01:01:07,519
course that's what these guys are trying

1220
01:01:12,099 --> 01:01:10,369
to do and you know we asked that

1221
01:01:14,649 --> 01:01:12,109
question well how do you find out and

1222
01:01:17,229 --> 01:01:14,659
they laid out their plans and you know

1223
01:01:20,939 --> 01:01:17,239
of course we hope that you know they

1224
01:01:23,859 --> 01:01:20,949
continue with that important research

1225
01:01:29,499 --> 01:01:23,869
but it's difficult because if if it is a

1226
01:01:31,239 --> 01:01:29,509
real signal from out somewhere it

1227
01:01:32,919 --> 01:01:31,249
doesn't mean it's necessarily going to

1228
01:01:35,259 --> 01:01:32,929
repeat itself or in the same way you

1229
01:01:36,789 --> 01:01:35,269
know and they're aware of all this so so

1230
01:01:40,329 --> 01:01:36,799
that's interesting even though we know

1231
01:01:42,699 --> 01:01:40,339
that extraterrestrials don't necessarily

1232
01:01:45,399 --> 01:01:42,709
have to come from you know another

1233
01:01:49,019 --> 01:01:45,409
planet or out there you know obviously

1234
01:01:51,309 --> 01:01:49,029
you know I'll tell you guys you know

1235
01:01:54,699 --> 01:01:51,319
theories whether it's dimension or

1236
01:01:56,319 --> 01:01:54,709
portal or whatever you know but but I we

1237
01:02:00,120 --> 01:01:56,329
thought that was interesting because it

1238
01:02:02,979 --> 01:02:00,130
was a it definitely was an unexplainable

1239
01:02:06,519 --> 01:02:02,989
contact even to the scientific community

1240
01:02:08,109 --> 01:02:06,529
and you know I'm sure something call it

1241
01:02:10,539 --> 01:02:08,119
something else or what yeah me and

1242
01:02:11,889 --> 01:02:10,549
there's nothing wrong with guessing that

1243
01:02:14,379 --> 01:02:11,899
it's something else and it's not

1244
01:02:17,259 --> 01:02:14,389
anything big or whatever but you know

1245
01:02:19,479 --> 01:02:17,269
obviously you can't do you can't do good

1246
01:02:21,699 --> 01:02:19,489
science by just you you can't guess it

1247
01:02:25,749 --> 01:02:21,709
you've got to find out you know so I'm

1248
01:02:28,419 --> 01:02:25,759
glad that these guys are are dedicated

1249
01:02:31,509 --> 01:02:28,429
to it and it was cool interviewing them

1250
01:02:33,009 --> 01:02:31,519
and and kind of hearing the I don't stay

1251
01:02:34,719 --> 01:02:33,019
off the record but you know there's no

1252
01:02:36,279 --> 01:02:34,729
there's certain things in certain ways

1253
01:02:38,529 --> 01:02:36,289
you have to put it in the paper and it

1254
01:02:41,169 --> 01:02:38,539
was cool talking to them and saying yeah

1255
01:02:43,870 --> 01:02:41,179
we put it could be that but he said you

1256
01:02:49,289 --> 01:02:43,880
know we don't think so you know what I

1257
01:02:54,940 --> 01:02:49,299
mean so it makes me wonder though if

1258
01:02:59,020 --> 01:02:54,950
they do get another signal

1259
01:03:03,730 --> 01:02:59,030
or maybe several signals whether or not

1260
01:03:07,569 --> 01:03:03,740
it it could end up being spurious kind

1261
01:03:09,150 --> 01:03:07,579
of like the the cable box which was you

1262
01:03:12,460 --> 01:03:09,160
know almost acting like a Ouija board

1263
01:03:14,349 --> 01:03:12,470
you know give it all of this wonderful

1264
01:03:16,210 --> 01:03:14,359
information Social Security you know

1265
01:03:18,220 --> 01:03:16,220
this long drawn-out story you know

1266
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:18,230
murdered people and things like that all

1267
01:03:24,099 --> 01:03:21,050
of it turns out to be you know false you

1268
01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:24,109
know I you know I wonder if the same

1269
01:03:29,349 --> 01:03:26,240
kind of scenario could present itself

1270
01:03:31,210 --> 01:03:29,359
with some of these you know like a SETI

1271
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:31,220
messages if they ever do start to come

1272
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:33,050
through you know because how are you

1273
01:03:41,980 --> 01:03:38,089
going to really if it's coming allegedly

1274
01:03:45,730 --> 01:03:41,990
from another planet light-years away how

1275
01:03:46,690 --> 01:03:45,740
are you going to confirm that you know

1276
01:03:48,339 --> 01:03:46,700
right

1277
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:48,349
send a rocket ship up there and you know

1278
01:03:54,550 --> 01:03:51,410
a hundred years from now well they radio

1279
01:03:56,410 --> 01:03:54,560
yeah yeah I'm sorry no one here yeah I

1280
01:03:59,740 --> 01:03:56,420
mean we do have in the book and there

1281
01:04:01,990 --> 01:03:59,750
are ways that they could do it but but

1282
01:04:03,700 --> 01:04:02,000
to get it the ultimate answer you know I

1283
01:04:05,859 --> 01:04:03,710
mean you you could do certain things to

1284
01:04:07,660 --> 01:04:05,869
say okay this clearly is an anomaly and

1285
01:04:10,359 --> 01:04:07,670
it clearly is abyss and that and that

1286
01:04:12,910 --> 01:04:10,369
but you know at the end of the day if

1287
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:12,920
you don't have an alien body or like

1288
01:04:17,740 --> 01:04:15,410
Neil deGrasse Tyson said next time

1289
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:17,750
you're abducted grab an ashtray so we've

1290
01:04:21,099 --> 01:04:19,250
got something really cool to look at

1291
01:04:22,839 --> 01:04:21,109
because yeah anything that you steal

1292
01:04:24,849 --> 01:04:22,849
from the spaceship is going to be really

1293
01:04:29,050 --> 01:04:24,859
cool but you know that that's the

1294
01:04:32,050 --> 01:04:29,060
ultimate thing is you know it's of

1295
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:32,060
course always fascinating but but how do

1296
01:04:38,589 --> 01:04:36,890
you it could be so so promising and it's

1297
01:04:40,150 --> 01:04:38,599
just like the thing with Mars you know

1298
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:40,160
right there's water on Mars no there's

1299
01:04:48,130 --> 01:04:44,410
not you know and you know my my only

1300
01:04:49,660 --> 01:04:48,140
astrophysicist friend and I would say

1301
01:04:52,599 --> 01:04:49,670
astrophysicist friend because it makes

1302
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:52,609
me sound smarter because I know he's

1303
01:04:56,770 --> 01:04:54,410
just a nice guy and like hang out with

1304
01:04:58,420 --> 01:04:56,780
dumb people no but uh you know but like

1305
01:05:01,000 --> 01:04:58,430
he said he said well the reason it's

1306
01:05:02,829 --> 01:05:01,010
difficult is because you know if it's

1307
01:05:04,990 --> 01:05:02,839
honor to serve just that way and then

1308
01:05:06,700 --> 01:05:05,000
and that it's it's going on and they

1309
01:05:08,229 --> 01:05:06,710
can't capture and above a but he's

1310
01:05:12,579 --> 01:05:08,239
explained all this stuff to me

1311
01:05:13,989 --> 01:05:12,589
like oh I get it so you know but you

1312
01:05:16,329 --> 01:05:13,999
know if you're out there just trying to

1313
01:05:18,129 --> 01:05:16,339
follow this stuff you like it's there no

1314
01:05:19,689 --> 01:05:18,139
there's not water no there is life yeah

1315
01:05:22,209 --> 01:05:19,699
so the answer is most likely yes

1316
01:05:24,869 --> 01:05:22,219
probably or just about guaranteed but

1317
01:05:32,649 --> 01:05:24,879
this is a problem and you know but it's

1318
01:05:34,419 --> 01:05:32,659
it's funny you know we try but yeah well

1319
01:05:37,299 --> 01:05:34,429
you know it's interesting though because

1320
01:05:39,509 --> 01:05:37,309
when you bring up Mars because guess

1321
01:05:43,839 --> 01:05:39,519
what was that I think was in the 1920s

1322
01:05:47,169 --> 01:05:43,849
when Mars made a you know a closed orbit

1323
01:05:49,889 --> 01:05:47,179
orbital approach to earth you know a

1324
01:05:53,249 --> 01:05:49,899
scientist had all the radio stations

1325
01:05:56,949 --> 01:05:53,259
shut themselves down for a few minutes

1326
01:05:59,589 --> 01:05:56,959
to see if they could pick up you know

1327
01:06:02,469 --> 01:05:59,599
any radio signals from Mars and they

1328
01:06:04,809 --> 01:06:02,479
actually if I remember if I remember

1329
01:06:09,839 --> 01:06:04,819
this correctly they actually did receive

1330
01:06:13,629 --> 01:06:09,849
something in the form of almost like

1331
01:06:17,309 --> 01:06:13,639
coding that when it was printed out it

1332
01:06:20,259 --> 01:06:17,319
looked like it was making a human figure

1333
01:06:23,739 --> 01:06:20,269
you know in in shape

1334
01:06:25,899 --> 01:06:23,749
oh but again it's wrong yeah as far as

1335
01:06:28,899 --> 01:06:25,909
we know yeah yeah there's there's

1336
01:06:32,589 --> 01:06:28,909
there's nobody on Mars sending radio

1337
01:06:37,449 --> 01:06:32,599
signals so unless unless somebody had a

1338
01:06:39,069 --> 01:06:37,459
really powerful transmitter that was do

1339
01:06:41,469 --> 01:06:39,079
you know just for the just for the hell

1340
01:06:45,809 --> 01:06:41,479
of it you know broadcasting this just to

1341
01:06:52,989 --> 01:06:50,499
right right yeah a lot of interesting

1342
01:06:55,149 --> 01:06:52,999
stuff and I'm sure the astronauts know

1343
01:06:57,999 --> 01:06:55,159
more and of course some of them have

1344
01:06:58,929 --> 01:06:58,009
talked a bit but yeah it's it's

1345
01:07:01,719 --> 01:06:58,939
fascinating

1346
01:07:03,279 --> 01:07:01,729
lots of lot to learn right we've learned

1347
01:07:04,929 --> 01:07:03,289
a lot and of course every time we learn

1348
01:07:07,839 --> 01:07:04,939
something there's more questions but I

1349
01:07:11,649 --> 01:07:07,849
guess that makes it fun well and that's

1350
01:07:15,549 --> 01:07:11,659
okay it's it now and that's the point I

1351
01:07:19,119 --> 01:07:15,559
mean we're we talk about you know these

1352
01:07:20,190 --> 01:07:19,129
these phantom messages and and some of

1353
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:20,200
these you know

1354
01:07:25,829 --> 01:07:22,170
as Tim Beckley was pointing out

1355
01:07:29,089 --> 01:07:25,839
especially during UFO flaps a lot of

1356
01:07:32,910 --> 01:07:29,099
times you know ham operators you know

1357
01:07:35,970 --> 01:07:32,920
when people had CB radios or you know

1358
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:35,980
even just your regular radios would

1359
01:07:42,630 --> 01:07:40,050
would pick up mysterious signals but a

1360
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:42,640
lot of times there doesn't seem to be a

1361
01:07:49,410 --> 01:07:46,570
lot of difference from from what you

1362
01:07:53,370 --> 01:07:49,420
know my research that I have conducted

1363
01:07:56,190 --> 01:07:53,380
between the so called supernatural

1364
01:07:58,620 --> 01:07:56,200
paranormal messages and these you know

1365
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:58,630
alleged extraterrestrial communications

1366
01:08:07,620 --> 01:08:00,400
they all seem almost to be coming from

1367
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:07,630
the same sources yeah yeah you know my

1368
01:08:11,220 --> 01:08:09,490
expression is it you know I don't know

1369
01:08:13,380 --> 01:08:11,230
if they know each other but they seem to

1370
01:08:16,499 --> 01:08:13,390
write the same bus you know what you

1371
01:08:17,940 --> 01:08:16,509
know whether whether it's the US or you

1372
01:08:22,559 --> 01:08:17,950
know whatever you're talking about it

1373
01:08:24,990 --> 01:08:22,569
seems it does seem like that and or from

1374
01:08:28,289 --> 01:08:25,000
the same places could be a billion of

1375
01:08:35,450 --> 01:08:28,299
them but you know but you know you get

1376
01:08:48,209 --> 01:08:37,709
popped into my head is one of the

1377
01:08:50,010 --> 01:08:48,219
forwards but yeah yeah definitely see

1378
01:08:51,390 --> 01:08:50,020
those and that's why we wanted to do fan

1379
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:51,400
of messages and take a broad view

1380
01:08:57,180 --> 01:08:53,410
because we saw just a lot of those

1381
01:08:59,070 --> 01:08:57,190
similarities in in you know different

1382
01:09:05,550 --> 01:08:59,080
indicators different things that happen

1383
01:09:07,440 --> 01:09:05,560
you know the knowledge of you know when

1384
01:09:09,539 --> 01:09:07,450
the calls and when you figure something

1385
01:09:14,370 --> 01:09:09,549
out and yeah it's just all those

1386
01:09:16,289 --> 01:09:14,380
different little characteristics some

1387
01:09:17,820 --> 01:09:16,299
are a little bit different you know

1388
01:09:21,660 --> 01:09:17,830
depending on you know what kind of

1389
01:09:25,050 --> 01:09:21,670
message it is or what's happening but

1390
01:09:27,959 --> 01:09:25,060
there's a lot of similarity across all

1391
01:09:31,349 --> 01:09:27,969
types of fanta messages whether it's by

1392
01:09:33,930 --> 01:09:31,359
phone tax magnetic doodle borders you

1393
01:09:35,820 --> 01:09:33,940
know one of the poltergeist cases had

1394
01:09:38,130 --> 01:09:35,830
or cable box or you know whatever it

1395
01:09:40,050 --> 01:09:38,140
happens to be and of course there was a

1396
01:09:42,630 --> 01:09:40,060
lot of stories that didn't make it

1397
01:09:45,689 --> 01:09:42,640
because there were not multiple

1398
01:09:47,789 --> 01:09:45,699
indicators you know if somebody hears a

1399
01:09:50,999 --> 01:09:47,799
song and a speaker and it has no meaning

1400
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:51,009
to anyone at all that's more likely what

1401
01:09:54,900 --> 01:09:52,719
used to happen to my speaker when it was

1402
01:09:57,300 --> 01:09:54,910
disconnected in my room you know the old

1403
01:10:00,770 --> 01:09:57,310
speakers used to do that not all the

1404
01:10:03,959 --> 01:10:00,780
time occasionally but if you hear voices

1405
01:10:05,490 --> 01:10:03,969
and it is of somebody and they were dead

1406
01:10:07,620 --> 01:10:05,500
and there's you know there's multiple

1407
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:07,630
characteristics well you know now we've

1408
01:10:11,700 --> 01:10:09,730
got something really creepy and

1409
01:10:17,689 --> 01:10:11,710
different and you know so we tried to

1410
01:10:20,700 --> 01:10:17,699
really look for the cases that that were

1411
01:10:23,610 --> 01:10:20,710
much more unexplainable and just saying

1412
01:10:25,350 --> 01:10:23,620
uh it was just a cell phone glitch or

1413
01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:25,360
something you know I mean certain thing

1414
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:26,560
I'm just wrong I'm gonna have to

1415
01:10:31,770 --> 01:10:28,090
interrupt

1416
01:10:33,570 --> 01:10:31,780
it's time for our bottom of the hour

1417
01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:33,580
break and we'll be back for more

1418
01:10:45,319 --> 01:10:36,640
exploring the size

1419
01:10:52,049 --> 01:10:49,469
now back to exploring the bazaar with

1420
01:10:55,350 --> 01:10:52,059
two of the most electrifying researchers

1421
01:11:03,870 --> 01:10:55,360
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

1422
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:03,880
Lee and Taylor Swift's well Tim it here

1423
01:11:08,129 --> 01:11:05,530
we are at the final segment of the

1424
01:11:11,489 --> 01:11:08,139
program and just it always seems that

1425
01:11:13,890 --> 01:11:11,499
time goes by so fast when we have just

1426
01:11:17,609 --> 01:11:13,900
really interesting guests and just a

1427
01:11:22,140 --> 01:11:17,619
fascinating subject so a bill Jimmy I

1428
01:11:24,209 --> 01:11:22,150
would ask you so now everybody out there

1429
01:11:27,330 --> 01:11:24,219
is familiar with you know EVPs

1430
01:11:29,850 --> 01:11:27,340
electronic voice phenomena Oh what's the

1431
01:11:33,149 --> 01:11:29,860
difference between something like that

1432
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:33,159
and with a majority of the stories that

1433
01:11:41,850 --> 01:11:35,050
you have in your your new book fan of

1434
01:11:43,859 --> 01:11:41,860
messages oh no I'm saying some EVPs that

1435
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:43,869
you're usually trying to get them on

1436
01:11:51,649 --> 01:11:47,489
purpose you're reinvestigating or you're

1437
01:11:54,509 --> 01:11:51,659
recording these our messages are mostly

1438
01:11:57,930 --> 01:11:54,519
unexpected messages that you're here you

1439
01:11:59,549 --> 01:11:57,940
didn't you're not trying to get well we

1440
01:12:01,890 --> 01:11:59,559
included a couple of pieces were really

1441
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:01,900
interesting like bill the the bass

1442
01:12:06,959 --> 01:12:03,489
guitar thing mm-hmm

1443
01:12:09,149 --> 01:12:06,969
oh yeah there's one story where Oh

1444
01:12:12,810 --> 01:12:09,159
actually your question was how do they

1445
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:12,820
differ from EVPs yeah they're mostly

1446
01:12:17,879 --> 01:12:15,010
unexpected where EVPs are usually um

1447
01:12:21,359 --> 01:12:17,889
expected your you want you want and and

1448
01:12:23,009 --> 01:12:21,369
yeah yeah unexpected and direct so

1449
01:12:25,950 --> 01:12:23,019
there's no intermediary there's no

1450
01:12:28,049 --> 01:12:25,960
medium there's no EPM know without

1451
01:12:30,149 --> 01:12:28,059
photograph there's you know not that we

1452
01:12:32,489 --> 01:12:30,159
disagree but it's like we don't we

1453
01:12:35,729 --> 01:12:32,499
didn't want you know a medium or psychic

1454
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:35,739
to say I felt this message and you know

1455
01:12:42,810 --> 01:12:38,650
we want to direct communication but this

1456
01:12:45,239 --> 01:12:42,820
one was a woman bill that uh heard her

1457
01:12:47,870 --> 01:12:45,249
son died was only like 18 19 years old

1458
01:12:50,939 --> 01:12:47,880
and he was learning to play bass guitar

1459
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:50,949
and they they kind of packed up his room

1460
01:12:55,290 --> 01:12:53,440
and they had his bass guitar and his

1461
01:12:58,380 --> 01:12:55,300
amplifier against the wall

1462
01:13:01,680 --> 01:12:58,390
and they though this is where she

1463
01:13:03,150 --> 01:13:01,690
mentioned EVPs they they thought they

1464
01:13:03,810 --> 01:13:03,160
said let's be say they heard a lot of

1465
01:13:05,850 --> 01:13:03,820
noise

1466
01:13:08,370 --> 01:13:05,860
next near his room a lot they heard

1467
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:08,380
noises and voices so they said let's put

1468
01:13:14,940 --> 01:13:12,010
a tape recorder up by his room and leave

1469
01:13:18,530 --> 01:13:14,950
the house for a while and they they left

1470
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:18,540
then when they played the the tape back

1471
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:22,690
they heard his it was a favorite song he

1472
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:24,570
was learning how to play it other big

1473
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:28,210
crazy crazy train yeah by Ozzy Osbourne

1474
01:13:34,290 --> 01:13:31,330
mm-hm he was learning that song and I

1475
01:13:38,610 --> 01:13:34,300
guess he was new and on the recording

1476
01:13:41,580 --> 01:13:38,620
they could hear the bass when they

1477
01:13:43,530 --> 01:13:41,590
played it back and it was and it was him

1478
01:13:46,700 --> 01:13:43,540
playing the bass it wasn't like crazy

1479
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:46,710
train song it was implants of things

1480
01:13:54,750 --> 01:13:53,050
yeah yes I mean that's an example of

1481
01:13:58,410 --> 01:13:54,760
when somebody went to record something

1482
01:14:01,740 --> 01:13:58,420
but most of them are you know very

1483
01:14:07,590 --> 01:14:01,750
unexpected some are even on answering

1484
01:14:16,770 --> 01:14:07,600
machines surf ramps and in an interline

1485
01:14:27,330 --> 01:14:16,780
yeah yeah okay now ha how do you messy

1486
01:14:33,570 --> 01:14:27,340
during a picture frame well a woman

1487
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:33,580
named Joanne it was her it was her

1488
01:14:37,980 --> 01:14:36,010
birthday and she was feeling sad because

1489
01:14:40,290 --> 01:14:37,990
her her mom passed away about ten years

1490
01:14:41,580 --> 01:14:40,300
ago and she you know she thinks about

1491
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:41,590
her on her birthday and she misses her

1492
01:14:46,830 --> 01:14:43,930
on her birthday or holidays whatever and

1493
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:46,840
there's a picture frame that she has

1494
01:14:51,390 --> 01:14:49,330
hanging I think in the bathroom where

1495
01:14:53,790 --> 01:14:51,400
you could you could make any

1496
01:14:55,290 --> 01:14:53,800
pre-recorded message you want lose a

1497
01:14:59,340 --> 01:14:55,300
little little bunny Preston he couldn't

1498
01:15:01,890 --> 01:14:59,350
make a recording and it was a gift from

1499
01:15:03,630 --> 01:15:01,900
her husband and children and she kept a

1500
01:15:06,540 --> 01:15:03,640
photo of her three children in the frame

1501
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:06,550
and when you press the button it says

1502
01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:09,130
happy Mother's Day mom we love you

1503
01:15:15,090 --> 01:15:10,960
and it will keep that message until you

1504
01:15:16,650 --> 01:15:15,100
change it so that that one of her

1505
01:15:18,090 --> 01:15:16,660
birthdays whatever the poor thing was

1506
01:15:21,150 --> 01:15:18,100
scrubbing the bathroom floor on her

1507
01:15:24,060 --> 01:15:21,160
birthday and she heard audio come from

1508
01:15:26,610 --> 01:15:24,070
the nearby picture frame that said happy

1509
01:15:29,090 --> 01:15:26,620
birthday and it was a woman's voice that

1510
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:29,100
she believes it's not like her mother

1511
01:15:36,450 --> 01:15:33,010
that uh that said it was a happy

1512
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:36,460
birthday to her mom to her I'm sorry her

1513
01:15:39,570 --> 01:15:38,170
mom she believed her mom said happy

1514
01:15:41,730 --> 01:15:39,580
birthday to her from the picture frame

1515
01:15:43,980 --> 01:15:41,740
when it's supposed to say happy Mother's

1516
01:15:47,310 --> 01:15:43,990
Day mom from her kids and I only

1517
01:15:49,620 --> 01:15:47,320
happened once and that was a picture

1518
01:15:57,300 --> 01:15:49,630
frames a lot of different stories we got

1519
01:16:00,990 --> 01:15:57,310
in there yeah this book for months and

1520
01:16:04,020 --> 01:16:01,000
when's it coming out final Oh actually

1521
01:16:06,330 --> 01:16:04,030
yeah it's out September 1st and they

1522
01:16:09,090 --> 01:16:06,340
could even get to auto autograft

1523
01:16:13,740 --> 01:16:09,100
yeah autograph and get signed copies

1524
01:16:17,820 --> 01:16:13,750
from Jimmy off our website all of the

1525
01:16:20,100 --> 01:16:17,830
paranormal calm and you get extra

1526
01:16:24,150 --> 01:16:20,110
surprises in there that would last for

1527
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:24,160
generations and generations within your

1528
01:16:38,010 --> 01:16:27,280
family with you no one can take care of

1529
01:16:39,570 --> 01:16:38,020
them well yeah proper gear yeah and and

1530
01:16:41,700 --> 01:16:39,580
the title of the book is phantom

1531
01:16:47,150 --> 01:16:41,710
messages chilling phone calls letters

1532
01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:47,160
emails and texts from unknown realms and

1533
01:16:51,750 --> 01:16:50,320
yeah I mean when what I got this book I

1534
01:16:54,330 --> 01:16:51,760
mean it's like you said the beginning of

1535
01:16:56,910 --> 01:16:54,340
the show it reminded me very much of Dee

1536
01:16:58,170 --> 01:16:56,920
Scott ro goes early brick I think well

1537
01:17:00,090 --> 01:16:58,180
who do you write at whether it was

1538
01:17:04,350 --> 01:17:00,100
Raymond Bayless phone calls from the

1539
01:17:07,850 --> 01:17:04,360
dead yeah but but this this is I mean

1540
01:17:11,850 --> 01:17:07,860
you know updated with all kinds of

1541
01:17:15,270 --> 01:17:11,860
different you know it seems like any

1542
01:17:19,650 --> 01:17:15,280
kind of electronic that has the ability

1543
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:19,660
to leave a message do you know talk or

1544
01:17:28,290 --> 01:17:23,170
or or or whatever seems to have

1545
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:28,300
been used by whatever whatever is going

1546
01:17:31,860 --> 01:17:30,250
on with this you know I'm not like you

1547
01:17:34,229 --> 01:17:31,870
said I'm not gonna go say you know

1548
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:34,239
they're there all those who have passed

1549
01:17:42,209 --> 01:17:40,449
on whether it's a stick against metal or

1550
01:17:44,010 --> 01:17:42,219
whether it's Morse code

1551
01:17:46,979 --> 01:17:44,020
yeah whatever it happens to be but

1552
01:17:50,430 --> 01:17:46,989
you're right and and that's that's what

1553
01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:50,440
we're trying to show too is is that it

1554
01:17:55,590 --> 01:17:52,960
doesn't matter whether you know it was a

1555
01:17:57,419 --> 01:17:55,600
dial phone doesn't matter whether it was

1556
01:17:59,970 --> 01:17:57,429
even before that it doesn't matter

1557
01:18:03,120 --> 01:17:59,980
whether if it was you know a cellphone

1558
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:03,130
or a dumb phone or smart phone or you

1559
01:18:08,970 --> 01:18:05,650
know or a letter yet doesn't matter the

1560
01:18:15,020 --> 01:18:08,980
the messages come through even on you

1561
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:15,030
know an old 80's computer or TVs

1562
01:18:21,390 --> 01:18:17,290
searching the internet you know the

1563
01:18:23,010 --> 01:18:21,400
story were you know the Internet turning

1564
01:18:26,370 --> 01:18:23,020
computers on and you know as you guys

1565
01:18:28,740 --> 01:18:26,380
you know as you said it you know whether

1566
01:18:32,330 --> 01:18:28,750
it's turning ties on and off all sorts

1567
01:18:35,610 --> 01:18:32,340
of electronics we just think it's just

1568
01:18:38,790 --> 01:18:35,620
so creepy and cool when you know there's

1569
01:18:41,729 --> 01:18:38,800
messages involved yeah and you know some

1570
01:18:46,950 --> 01:18:41,739
are heartwarming and Jimmy refers to

1571
01:18:52,140 --> 01:18:46,960
those stories as go ahead Chicken Soup

1572
01:18:54,209 --> 01:18:52,150
for the paranormal soul stories but but

1573
01:18:57,450 --> 01:18:54,219
you know it's weird cuz even in the even

1574
01:18:59,010 --> 01:18:57,460
and the family health warnings and you

1575
01:19:01,800 --> 01:18:59,020
know saying hello even in that whole

1576
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:01,810
section there's a lot of creepy store

1577
01:19:06,570 --> 01:19:03,850
she's been there too but that but then

1578
01:19:10,620 --> 01:19:06,580
there are some heartwarming ones and

1579
01:19:12,150 --> 01:19:10,630
then there are some that are just that

1580
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:12,160
chilling chilling word I can describe

1581
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:14,890
like and again it conferences back to

1582
01:19:19,709 --> 01:19:17,170
the time slip ones like a guy who's

1583
01:19:21,540 --> 01:19:19,719
hearing these sounds it gets a call and

1584
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:21,550
he's hearing these like that sound a

1585
01:19:27,959 --> 01:19:23,920
disaster metal crunching and people

1586
01:19:30,060 --> 01:19:27,969
falling and and he just he's filled with

1587
01:19:32,010 --> 01:19:30,070
dread and horror and yet he instantly

1588
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:32,020
knows this is something really really

1589
01:19:36,100 --> 01:19:34,330
horrifying and he's getting this call

1590
01:19:39,460 --> 01:19:36,110
every day every day every day

1591
01:19:43,090 --> 01:19:39,470
and finally 911 comes he gets one last

1592
01:19:45,670 --> 01:19:43,100
call mm the towers come down he doesn't

1593
01:19:47,650 --> 01:19:45,680
get any more calls and you know in this

1594
01:19:49,630 --> 01:19:47,660
hood and there's there's more of the

1595
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:49,640
story and stuff but I mean it's those

1596
01:19:53,530 --> 01:19:51,650
kind of calls like they hear yourself

1597
01:20:00,010 --> 01:19:53,540
die on the phone all those kind of time

1598
01:20:01,480 --> 01:20:00,020
slip weird things those are those are

1599
01:20:03,550 --> 01:20:01,490
pretty I don't mean I mean they're all

1600
01:20:06,690 --> 01:20:03,560
creepy but I mean those are those are

1601
01:20:13,420 --> 01:20:10,510
yeah good good bill tells the story

1602
01:20:15,820 --> 01:20:13,430
about Sir Paul McCartney that's

1603
01:20:18,550 --> 01:20:15,830
interesting when I didn't know that bill

1604
01:20:21,100 --> 01:20:18,560
you found that one oh yeah oh oh yeah

1605
01:20:24,190 --> 01:20:21,110
well when they when the Beatles gets

1606
01:20:29,110 --> 01:20:24,200
back together of the three of them that

1607
01:20:34,230 --> 01:20:29,120
were left to do free as a bird there

1608
01:20:38,650 --> 01:20:34,240
were all sorts of recording electronic

1609
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:38,660
problems and they even got John's voice

1610
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:41,090
on there and I think there was a song

1611
01:20:46,210 --> 01:20:44,330
there was a song on there that plane and

1612
01:20:49,030 --> 01:20:46,220
it was just all the kind of antics that

1613
01:20:52,030 --> 01:20:49,040
that John would do and even the song and

1614
01:20:54,220 --> 01:20:52,040
everything so so you know they they

1615
01:20:56,830 --> 01:20:54,230
explained it that they had no doubt that

1616
01:21:00,520 --> 01:20:56,840
John was there in his Paul said after

1617
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:00,530
some of that happen Paul Paul said John

1618
01:21:04,780 --> 01:21:02,690
likes it John likes it you know I

1619
01:21:07,660 --> 01:21:04,790
thought that was really cool so you know

1620
01:21:10,350 --> 01:21:07,670
he hadn't included Paul McCartney Santa

1621
01:21:14,230 --> 01:21:10,360
message what did you go wrong with that

1622
01:21:15,270 --> 01:21:14,240
and the a they were trying they said

1623
01:21:18,580 --> 01:21:15,280
they were trying to put one of those

1624
01:21:21,820 --> 01:21:18,590
backwards recordings on the end of the

1625
01:21:26,470 --> 01:21:21,830
single like one other little yeah and

1626
01:21:28,660 --> 01:21:26,480
they in and when what happens and they

1627
01:21:30,820 --> 01:21:28,670
recorded it back you know the backwards

1628
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:30,830
message when it came out with a bunch of

1629
01:21:35,770 --> 01:21:32,650
the gibberish and then John Lennon

1630
01:21:40,770 --> 01:21:35,780
little birds John Lennon in it and more

1631
01:21:43,060 --> 01:21:40,780
gibberish yeah yeah their claim and

1632
01:21:46,660 --> 01:21:43,070
they're claiming they didn't do that you

1633
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:46,670
know that they were just saying no they

1634
01:21:49,599 --> 01:21:48,410
were just saying random words and then

1635
01:21:51,969 --> 01:21:49,609
they backward master

1636
01:21:55,270 --> 01:21:51,979
and the words John Lennon camia's

1637
01:21:58,569 --> 01:21:55,280
interest yeah they did you know Paul was

1638
01:22:00,399 --> 01:21:58,579
not one to you know I mean he wouldn't

1639
01:22:02,079 --> 01:22:00,409
have said that just to make it up but I

1640
01:22:04,389 --> 01:22:02,089
think it makes him sound crazier as

1641
01:22:08,079 --> 01:22:04,399
anything so yeah I mean not to me but

1642
01:22:09,699 --> 01:22:08,089
you know I mean and and you know when

1643
01:22:13,259 --> 01:22:09,709
you're that same as saying you know what

1644
01:22:15,879 --> 01:22:13,269
is yeah he's got no reason to make it

1645
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:15,889
but all of them said that you know Ringo

1646
01:22:20,679 --> 01:22:17,570
and George or they're all they all had

1647
01:22:22,629 --> 01:22:20,689
talked about it and but I thought it was

1648
01:22:30,399 --> 01:22:22,639
cool when you know Paul said he had John

1649
01:22:32,979 --> 01:22:30,409
likes it so well I've got it I've got it

1650
01:22:34,989 --> 01:22:32,989
I've got a story for you that I you know

1651
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:34,999
I don't know if you know you may have

1652
01:22:42,009 --> 01:22:38,570
run across this one I don't know really

1653
01:22:44,469 --> 01:22:42,019
if anybody knows this one but you know

1654
01:22:46,569 --> 01:22:44,479
in in Indianapolis when I was working

1655
01:22:49,469 --> 01:22:46,579
there sometime I asked this would have

1656
01:22:53,319 --> 01:22:49,479
been in probably the middle nineteen

1657
01:22:57,339 --> 01:22:53,329
middle in the early 1990s there was a

1658
01:23:00,399 --> 01:22:57,349
plane crash where a fighter jet the

1659
01:23:05,619 --> 01:23:00,409
pilot had to eject himself and the jet

1660
01:23:12,209 --> 01:23:05,629
ended up then crashing into a hotel near

1661
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:12,219
the near the airport and one one mother

1662
01:23:17,139 --> 01:23:15,050
was on the news that night they were

1663
01:23:19,810 --> 01:23:17,149
still trying to find her son and she

1664
01:23:22,149 --> 01:23:19,820
said that he was still alive because

1665
01:23:25,419 --> 01:23:22,159
shortly after the crash he had called

1666
01:23:26,889 --> 01:23:25,429
her up and said that he was okay he was

1667
01:23:31,899 --> 01:23:26,899
still the hotel when the plane had

1668
01:23:35,229 --> 01:23:31,909
crashed he had jumped behind the the the

1669
01:23:37,599 --> 01:23:35,239
checkout desk there there on the main

1670
01:23:39,609 --> 01:23:37,609
lobby was where he worked and that he

1671
01:23:43,899 --> 01:23:39,619
was waiting then for them you know to

1672
01:23:46,270 --> 01:23:43,909
come and get him so when they the fire

1673
01:23:48,759 --> 01:23:46,280
department went to try to find him they

1674
01:23:51,279 --> 01:23:48,769
found him but he was dead and had been

1675
01:23:53,049 --> 01:23:51,289
dead almost immediately because the you

1676
01:23:57,429 --> 01:23:53,059
know the plane had crashed almost dead

1677
01:24:00,069 --> 01:23:57,439
into the lobby so I remember that when

1678
01:24:01,879 --> 01:24:00,079
that they interviewed that mother I

1679
01:24:04,939 --> 01:24:01,889
turned to my wife

1680
01:24:07,879 --> 01:24:04,949
said he's dead I said I don't know who

1681
01:24:10,429 --> 01:24:07,889
called her but he's dead and then sure

1682
01:24:12,199 --> 01:24:10,439
enough you know later on confirmed that

1683
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:12,209
and of course my wife is this I why did

1684
01:24:15,609 --> 01:24:13,679
you tell me stuff like that since creeps

1685
01:24:21,919 --> 01:24:15,619
me out

1686
01:24:29,750 --> 01:24:21,929
right yeah there's that is a common kind

1687
01:24:31,639 --> 01:24:29,760
of Santa message case Ida Lupino was in

1688
01:24:34,609 --> 01:24:31,649
a Twilight Zone episode and in a

1689
01:24:37,399 --> 01:24:34,619
celebrity chapter she had a simpler case

1690
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:37,409
where as a child she was playing

1691
01:24:43,639 --> 01:24:41,610
messages you know the uncle Colin and

1692
01:24:46,669 --> 01:24:43,649
the grandmother saying Jesus sounds like

1693
01:24:50,209 --> 01:24:46,679
you know he's sick or something and they

1694
01:24:52,639 --> 01:24:50,219
end up finally the the mother gets home

1695
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:52,649
because there's a whole actress family

1696
01:24:57,020 --> 01:24:54,090
and everything the mother gets home

1697
01:24:58,489 --> 01:24:57,030
they're like you know you better call

1698
01:25:00,799 --> 01:24:58,499
him because you know he keeps calling

1699
01:25:03,259 --> 01:25:00,809
and you know so not only did a little

1700
01:25:06,979 --> 01:25:03,269
girl talk to him Ida and she's little

1701
01:25:10,759 --> 01:25:06,989
but also the grandmother did too and and

1702
01:25:12,199 --> 01:25:10,769
the mother's like oh my god no he he

1703
01:25:13,969 --> 01:25:12,209
could have been calling you

1704
01:25:16,459 --> 01:25:13,979
I thought he committed suicide like

1705
01:25:18,799 --> 01:25:16,469
three days ago four years ago so those

1706
01:25:21,770 --> 01:25:18,809
kinds of things and even voicemail

1707
01:25:23,569 --> 01:25:21,780
messages when you know when they're time

1708
01:25:25,939 --> 01:25:23,579
that everything else are like okay well

1709
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:25,949
you know everybody says well okay maybe

1710
01:25:30,589 --> 01:25:28,050
the message was delayed or something

1711
01:25:33,199 --> 01:25:30,599
yeah but not not when they repeatedly

1712
01:25:35,359 --> 01:25:33,209
call and you get it on voicemail and

1713
01:25:40,129 --> 01:25:35,369
it's not like he was alive yesterday

1714
01:25:42,529 --> 01:25:40,139
dead today you know what I mean no so so

1715
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:42,539
it becomes quite stranger you know

1716
01:25:49,429 --> 01:25:46,489
especially the cases of repeated but

1717
01:25:54,759 --> 01:25:49,439
yeah the plain story made me think of a

1718
01:25:58,609 --> 01:25:54,769
train story a famous Metro crash and

1719
01:26:00,949 --> 01:25:58,619
with Charles packets of it was one of

1720
01:26:03,229 --> 01:26:00,959
the probably the one of the most public

1721
01:26:06,409 --> 01:26:03,239
fan of message cases few years back and

1722
01:26:10,669 --> 01:26:06,419
it was nobody can figure it out you know

1723
01:26:12,919 --> 01:26:10,679
the the cell carrier everybody you know

1724
01:26:14,209 --> 01:26:12,929
is contacted threat just try to figure

1725
01:26:15,919 --> 01:26:14,219
it out because people are trying to get

1726
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:15,929
the story but nobody had anything use

1727
01:26:23,410 --> 01:26:19,530
we'll say but this guy died instantly

1728
01:26:25,969 --> 01:26:23,420
when the train crash but they thought

1729
01:26:27,949 --> 01:26:25,979
you know the family thought you know

1730
01:26:30,949 --> 01:26:27,959
perhaps he was still alive because his

1731
01:26:35,060 --> 01:26:30,959
phone was making calls throughout the

1732
01:26:37,339 --> 01:26:35,070
night you know every hour and was

1733
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:37,349
calling all the people closest to him

1734
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:41,489
you know his his fiancee is his mother

1735
01:26:49,009 --> 01:26:46,050
you know all those close close loved

1736
01:26:52,069 --> 01:26:49,019
ones and they did end up locating the

1737
01:26:53,959 --> 01:26:52,079
phone in the first car and no I mean I

1738
01:26:58,429 --> 01:26:53,969
they never found the phone they located

1739
01:27:01,850 --> 01:26:58,439
his body in the first car and you know

1740
01:27:03,739 --> 01:27:01,860
the doctors on the scene said that that

1741
01:27:05,359 --> 01:27:03,749
no he didn't make any of these calls he

1742
01:27:06,919 --> 01:27:05,369
died instantly

1743
01:27:08,509 --> 01:27:06,929
he wouldn't have even lasted a minute

1744
01:27:10,759 --> 01:27:08,519
you know I mean it was just used in the

1745
01:27:13,939 --> 01:27:10,769
very first car he was seasoned gone you

1746
01:27:16,729 --> 01:27:13,949
know jolted on a dead on impact and but

1747
01:27:19,580 --> 01:27:16,739
that car but that phone made those calls

1748
01:27:21,410 --> 01:27:19,590
it did not call the hairdresser did not

1749
01:27:23,929 --> 01:27:21,420
call his mechanic did not you know I

1750
01:27:27,169 --> 01:27:23,939
mean only made is about thirty five

1751
01:27:29,209 --> 01:27:27,179
phone calls at all when they answered it

1752
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:29,219
was just static when they tried to call

1753
01:27:34,009 --> 01:27:31,170
back it went right to his voicemail

1754
01:27:37,279 --> 01:27:34,019
but those 35 calls went throughout the

1755
01:27:39,770 --> 01:27:37,289
night and then they stopped and and

1756
01:27:42,890 --> 01:27:39,780
that's what to me that's the most

1757
01:27:46,009 --> 01:27:42,900
bizarre thing it's bizarre enough that a

1758
01:27:48,679 --> 01:27:46,019
phone made those calls but me not

1759
01:27:51,229 --> 01:27:48,689
knowing technology I can say well maybe

1760
01:27:54,410 --> 01:27:51,239
it's a technology thing but now you say

1761
01:27:56,449 --> 01:27:54,420
okay well who did it call now it gets

1762
01:27:59,569 --> 01:27:56,459
weird right because I mean if you've got

1763
01:28:04,069 --> 01:27:59,579
all these phone numbers on your phone

1764
01:28:08,239 --> 01:28:04,079
how come it missed every other you know

1765
01:28:12,410 --> 01:28:08,249
call a number except for all the people

1766
01:28:14,509 --> 01:28:12,420
and your family you know and and why

1767
01:28:16,250 --> 01:28:14,519
would it be spaced out over hours and

1768
01:28:19,459 --> 01:28:16,260
hours you don't I mean it's not like all

1769
01:28:21,199 --> 01:28:19,469
these calls happen one after another if

1770
01:28:24,109 --> 01:28:21,209
there happened a few an hour throughout

1771
01:28:28,729 --> 01:28:24,119
the night and everything then that

1772
01:28:29,569 --> 01:28:28,739
becomes really weird but yeah yeah Rison

1773
01:28:31,549 --> 01:28:29,579
and yeah

1774
01:28:34,699 --> 01:28:31,559
median you know nobody could nobody

1775
01:28:36,919 --> 01:28:34,709
explained it sometimes you hear uh-oh we

1776
01:28:38,659 --> 01:28:36,929
think it was just this or we think it

1777
01:28:41,029 --> 01:28:38,669
might have been this but that's of

1778
01:28:43,639 --> 01:28:41,039
course a guess you know and and there

1779
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:43,649
there were other cases involving regular

1780
01:28:47,359 --> 01:28:45,449
phone lines and you know things like

1781
01:28:51,619 --> 01:28:47,369
that yo yeah well we think it was this

1782
01:28:53,209 --> 01:28:51,629
or might have been this but they still

1783
01:28:55,099 --> 01:28:53,219
can't understand how could have been

1784
01:28:59,079 --> 01:28:55,109
that they just say oh I don't like it

1785
01:29:02,119 --> 01:28:59,089
then it's like saying swamp gas you know

1786
01:29:04,129 --> 01:29:02,129
baby was that I don't know you know but

1787
01:29:05,509 --> 01:29:04,139
it's yeah they say it's like when they

1788
01:29:07,899 --> 01:29:05,519
have to give an answer because yeah

1789
01:29:10,489 --> 01:29:07,909
weird electronic giant we gotta say so

1790
01:29:12,799 --> 01:29:10,499
that's only that could have been a cross

1791
01:29:14,810 --> 01:29:12,809
line or something you know they just you

1792
01:29:18,409 --> 01:29:14,820
know it's okay to guess or like we said

1793
01:29:20,179 --> 01:29:18,419
it's okay to have hypotheses but but

1794
01:29:22,099 --> 01:29:20,189
that's all it is you know it's not an

1795
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:22,109
answer when you just say it could be you

1796
01:29:27,109 --> 01:29:24,050
know so they never really figured out

1797
01:29:31,399 --> 01:29:27,119
just like in any of these how how these

1798
01:29:34,369 --> 01:29:31,409
things work and it's you know in our

1799
01:29:36,109 --> 01:29:34,379
cases in the book I think it was

1800
01:29:39,199 --> 01:29:36,119
supposed a little over seventy percent

1801
01:29:40,819 --> 01:29:39,209
of them had witnesses and other people

1802
01:29:42,500 --> 01:29:40,829
involved it but even the ones that are

1803
01:29:45,799 --> 01:29:42,510
just single people we picked out the

1804
01:29:49,219 --> 01:29:45,809
ones were you know we really we really

1805
01:29:52,399 --> 01:29:49,229
felt that they were telling a story that

1806
01:29:54,169 --> 01:29:52,409
didn't appear to even be you know

1807
01:29:56,569 --> 01:29:54,179
hallucination or something you know

1808
01:29:58,639 --> 01:29:56,579
because when it's you know like me if I

1809
01:30:00,619 --> 01:29:58,649
have an experience and in a place I'm

1810
01:30:04,429 --> 01:30:00,629
investigating I mean I have to check

1811
01:30:05,659 --> 01:30:04,439
myself and say okay is this me is it you

1812
01:30:07,849 --> 01:30:05,669
know they're they're an electrical

1813
01:30:09,949 --> 01:30:07,859
problem and here's the Condor you know

1814
01:30:12,049 --> 01:30:09,959
EMF problem here this cause that needed

1815
01:30:14,139 --> 01:30:12,059
act weird or whatever or am I really

1816
01:30:17,359 --> 01:30:14,149
feeling something fairly you know

1817
01:30:19,489 --> 01:30:17,369
paranormal or am I just excited to be

1818
01:30:21,799 --> 01:30:19,499
here and and trying to feel something

1819
01:30:24,139 --> 01:30:21,809
and think I am but not sure you know

1820
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:24,149
when you're alone sometimes it's that

1821
01:30:29,839 --> 01:30:26,010
you you know you don't you double-check

1822
01:30:31,009 --> 01:30:29,849
yourself even when you're you know think

1823
01:30:34,779 --> 01:30:31,019
you're failing something you know when

1824
01:30:37,879 --> 01:30:34,789
you have multiple people then it becomes

1825
01:30:40,029 --> 01:30:37,889
easier to confirm but you know with some

1826
01:30:44,930 --> 01:30:40,039
of these cases the stuff that happened

1827
01:30:48,009 --> 01:30:44,940
and just hearing the people

1828
01:30:50,540 --> 01:30:48,019
you know you just know with something

1829
01:30:53,060 --> 01:30:50,550
and not any of the usual kind of

1830
01:30:57,140 --> 01:30:53,070
explanations you know well and that's uh

1831
01:30:59,029 --> 01:30:57,150
that's the thing though is that you hear

1832
01:31:04,390 --> 01:30:59,039
these stories you talk to these people

1833
01:31:07,839 --> 01:31:04,400
and the stories are also similar and

1834
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:07,849
unless everybody that you have talked to

1835
01:31:12,589 --> 01:31:10,530
you know has has read all these books

1836
01:31:15,140 --> 01:31:12,599
and are very familiar you know with

1837
01:31:16,939 --> 01:31:15,150
these you know seemingly paranormal

1838
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:16,949
types of messages and they all got

1839
01:31:21,979 --> 01:31:19,050
together and said yeah let's let's tell

1840
01:31:23,989 --> 01:31:21,989
the same story but that's that's the

1841
01:31:29,629 --> 01:31:23,999
thing everybody tell the stories are

1842
01:31:33,229 --> 01:31:29,639
just so similar yes a lot of these

1843
01:31:36,770 --> 01:31:33,239
people had no interest and you know the

1844
01:31:38,779 --> 01:31:36,780
the paranormal and and some of them say

1845
01:31:41,149 --> 01:31:38,789
you know I I don't know what it was you

1846
01:31:45,020 --> 01:31:41,159
know like the man who heard the phone

1847
01:31:49,700 --> 01:31:45,030
calls you know up until 9/11 he still

1848
01:31:51,799 --> 01:31:49,710
doesn't know if it if it has anything to

1849
01:31:53,870 --> 01:31:51,809
do with that all he knows is on the

1850
01:31:56,689 --> 01:31:53,880
other people heard it and it was

1851
01:31:58,489 --> 01:31:56,699
recorded and they had a nun messages and

1852
01:32:02,719 --> 01:31:58,499
there were other people who listened to

1853
01:32:04,339 --> 01:32:02,729
it and had to stop it and and and he

1854
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:04,349
didn't you know when he played it to

1855
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other you know his friend and other

1856
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:08,719
people he confided with when he played

1857
01:32:14,629 --> 01:32:12,449
you know an example of these calls that

1858
01:32:16,209 --> 01:32:14,639
were coming in and of course you know

1859
01:32:18,709 --> 01:32:16,219
they're usually coming from unidentified

1860
01:32:22,899 --> 01:32:18,719
numbers that's of course with fan of

1861
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:22,909
messages that's that's pretty normal but

1862
01:32:30,939 --> 01:32:25,530
and he didn't he didn't tell them here

1863
01:32:34,939 --> 01:32:30,949
listen to this you know this this is a

1864
01:32:36,529 --> 01:32:34,949
disaster or whatever but some of the

1865
01:32:39,379 --> 01:32:36,539
people did they would just here for a

1866
01:32:42,229 --> 01:32:39,389
second or two and a few seconds and it

1867
01:32:44,390 --> 01:32:42,239
was you have to turn it off you know

1868
01:32:46,759 --> 01:32:44,400
they just and which makes sense because

1869
01:32:49,580 --> 01:32:46,769
everybody you know some people I'm sure

1870
01:32:53,959 --> 01:32:49,590
are more sensitive to that stuff than

1871
01:32:56,549 --> 01:32:53,969
others but it was it reminds me of you

1872
01:32:59,189 --> 01:32:56,559
know the ring the horrible you know

1873
01:33:00,750 --> 01:32:59,199
yes yeah you see a tape or you see

1874
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:00,760
something like that you just know

1875
01:33:07,740 --> 01:33:05,650
something's wrong you know and so both

1876
01:33:10,020 --> 01:33:07,750
those to me and when they play the

1877
01:33:12,359 --> 01:33:10,030
message for somebody else and you see

1878
01:33:15,299 --> 01:33:12,369
those people and they're just like you

1879
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:15,309
know and you know some just can't listen

1880
01:33:19,140 --> 01:33:17,170
to it won't let nobody wanted to listen

1881
01:33:21,810 --> 01:33:19,150
to it it was just that feeling of horror

1882
01:33:25,169 --> 01:33:21,820
and dread and that's nice yeah hey if I

1883
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:25,179
get a call and I'd heard metal and even

1884
01:33:29,549 --> 01:33:27,010
if I heard screams or what I'd be on the

1885
01:33:31,290 --> 01:33:29,559
phone like hello hello I mean it

1886
01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:31,300
wouldn't be impact in me really it

1887
01:33:36,689 --> 01:33:34,449
wouldn't be so if somebody picks up the

1888
01:33:40,169 --> 01:33:36,699
phone and then reacts why it's like

1889
01:33:44,149 --> 01:33:40,179
that's weird it's it's it's in these

1890
01:33:46,740 --> 01:33:44,159
cases they they almost instantly realize

1891
01:33:50,220 --> 01:33:46,750
that you know they're hearing something

1892
01:33:52,709 --> 01:33:50,230
like very real that this is not you know

1893
01:33:55,319 --> 01:33:52,719
it's almost like somehow they you know I

1894
01:33:58,859 --> 01:33:55,329
guess you'd call it an intuition or you

1895
01:34:01,770 --> 01:33:58,869
know it's just that primal obvious that

1896
01:34:03,270 --> 01:34:01,780
this is wrong you know like Karen or you

1897
01:34:05,100 --> 01:34:03,280
know pick up the phone and hear some

1898
01:34:08,279 --> 01:34:05,110
kind of respirator again I'll be hello

1899
01:34:09,810 --> 01:34:08,289
won't be a big deal but when you pick up

1900
01:34:12,089 --> 01:34:09,820
the phone you hear that and you

1901
01:34:14,129 --> 01:34:12,099
instantly know it's yourself how do you

1902
01:34:17,430 --> 01:34:14,139
instantly know that I mean now we're

1903
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:17,440
getting to you know something that's way

1904
01:34:22,109 --> 01:34:20,050
out there so that at times fascinating

1905
01:34:24,149 --> 01:34:22,119
all right doing I'm gonna have to

1906
01:34:26,419 --> 01:34:24,159
interrupt you here because we are at the

1907
01:34:29,339 --> 01:34:26,429
end of the program so the book is

1908
01:34:33,270 --> 01:34:29,349
phantom messages and it comes out on

1909
01:34:35,790 --> 01:34:33,280
September 1st my correct correct yep and

1910
01:34:37,979 --> 01:34:35,800
you can get signed copies at Hall two

1911
01:34:39,899 --> 01:34:37,989
paranormal comm with you happy excited

1912
01:34:42,359 --> 01:34:39,909
for you we've been signed

1913
01:34:47,549 --> 01:34:42,369
Tim's name on it cuz we used to for

1914
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:47,559
fortune his name alright thanks for

1915
01:34:58,670 --> 01:34:55,430
you've been listening to exploring the

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1920
01:35:13,670 --> 01:35:10,320
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